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GKC said:
They are in communion with a number of Global South provinces. And a number of Global South Provinces are in impaired communion with TEC. Time will tell what the eventual shakedown will be. But the recent Global South reaction to the Pilling report, re: various sexual and gender things ongoing in the CoE,makes one ponder the fate of the Communion, not considering the TEC/ACNA question. The Communion is in a state of turmoil. Maybe.

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Maybe. I heard that the ACNA was trying to become part of the AC. They even sent a request as recent as this year. Is that false information?
 
aidanbradypop said:
Maybe. I heard that the ACNA was trying to become part of the AC. They even sent a request as recent as this year. Is that false information?
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No. That is correct.

I seem to be having trouble conveying that fact. The ACNA hopes to be recognized by the AC as the only Communion province in this country. In other words, they not only want to join the Communion, they want to displace the TEC. And the ACNA are viewed more favorably than is TEC by a number of Global South provinces. Whatever that may result in.

That was also the hope (supplanting TEC in the Communion) of the group that formed the first beginning of the Continuum, 35 years ago, more or less. I did note the ironic fact that one early name for that Continuing group was also the ACNA.

GKC
 
GKC said:
No. That is correct.

I seem to be having trouble conveying that fact. The ACNA hopes to be recognized by the AC as the only Communion province in this country. In other words, they not only want to join the Communion, they want to displace the TEC. And the ACNA are viewed more favorably than is TEC by a number of Global South provinces. Whatever that may result in.

That was also the hope (supplanting TEC in the Communion) of the group that formed the first beginning of the Continuum, 35 years ago, more or less. I did note the ironic fact that one early name for that Continuing group was also the ACNA.

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This is a problem one will run into when there is a Communion with so many different beliefs from one another. 🤷
 
aidanbradypop said:
This is a problem one will run into when there is a Communion with so many different beliefs from one another. 🤷
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The current circumstances are unprecedented in the history of the Communion. More potentially disruptive than the Church of South India event.

I hope I have made it clear that I am no prophet. But train wrecks are my hobby, and there might be another one coming.

Maybe.

GKC
 
Picky_Picky said:
Glad to hear it. And a pleasant enough walk to Lambeth Bridge, I suppose. Is the palace library splendid? Did you keep tripping over Rowan?
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Actually, the Reading Room was as far as I got. It was quite nice, though; examining books of which there might only be two in existence! You told the staff what you needed, and they retrieved it from the stacks. Really nice view of Big Ben and the Houses of Parliament across the river!
 
jimkhong said:
So TEC and ACNA are competing to be recognised by the Anglican Communion? A bit like PRC and Taiwan competing to be recognised as representing China (you can have ambassdor in one country or the other but not both).
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Yup. Pretty much!
 
GKC said:
There were no bishops in the colonies.
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Noted but how did they get the priests then. Ordained in England and shipped over.

Also, was it true that CoE was the established church in some of the colonies? If so, what does it mean as I thought that having having bishops and the head of state being the head of religion (Supreme Governor and all that, being quasi-sacramentally anointed) is mandatory for an established church?
 
jimkhong said:
Noted but how did they get the priests then. Ordained in England and shipped over.

Also, was it true that CoE was the established church in some of the colonies? If so, what does it mean as I thought that having having bishops and the head of state being the head of religion (Supreme Governor and all that, being quasi-sacramentally anointed) is mandatory for an established church?
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The C of E was established in New York (in spite of the Dutch Reformed majority) Maryland (the so-called haven for Catholics), Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia.
 
GKC said:
The current circumstances are unprecedented in the history of the Communion. More potentially disruptive than the Church of South India event.

I hope I have made it clear that I am no prophet. But train wrecks are my hobby, and there might be another one coming.

Maybe.

GKC
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The number of ‘train wrecks’ is in the thousands now.

A while ago I mentioned Luther and Henry freeing their minions from the authority of the pope and mentioned the millions who have followed them over the cliff. No one seems to want to deal with that, but until you do, you will see an continuing series of train wrecks until the day you die.
 
jimkhong said:
Noted but how did they get the priests then. Ordained in England and shipped over.

Also, was it true that CoE was the established church in some of the colonies? If so, what does it mean as I thought that having having bishops and the head of state being the head of religion (Supreme Governor and all that, being quasi-sacramentally anointed) is mandatory for an established church?
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Exactly. Priests were shipped over. And so were agents, not ordained, of the Bishop of London, to watch over affairs. Confirmation was limited to episcopal visits or required returning to the mother country, where the episcopal hands were located. Hence the phrase, still in the BCP (1928, at least; haven’t looked in the '79), limiting communion to those confirmed or desirous of being confirmed. A recognition of the situation.

Yes. The CoE was the established Church in a number of the colonies. Five, to my memory; I’m too busy/lazy to seek the info out. And there was no problem with the points you raise, when the colonies who made the CoE the established Church did so, in the early 1700s. It was the CoE, and the CoE met all the conditions you mention.

OTOH, since (IIRC), other colonies had established Churches not being CoE, the requirements you listed were not mandatory. The establishment lingered on, theoretically, in state constitutions, until well into the 1800s.

GKC
 
jimkhong said:
You see, we Catholics wouldn’t have called that a communion.😉
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Hearing you say that, I immediately wonder if an Orthodox will chime in. (Though I forget if there are any on this thread.)

Wait for it …
 
Ferde_Rombola said:
The number of ‘train wrecks’ is in the thousands now.

A while ago I mentioned Luther and Henry freeing their minions from the authority of the pope and mentioned the millions who have followed them over the cliff. No one seems to want to deal with that, but until you do, you will see an continuing series of train wrecks until the day you die.
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Your comments are so out of sync with the Roman Catholic Church, in my opinion.
 
David_Zampino said:
The C of E was established in New York (in spite of the Dutch Reformed majority) Maryland (the so-called haven for Catholics), Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia.
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You sure about Georgia?

I got my doubts.

GKC
 
Ferde_Rombola said:
The number of ‘train wrecks’ is in the thousands now.

A while ago I mentioned Luther and Henry freeing their minions from the authority of the pope and mentioned the millions who have followed them over the cliff. No one seems to want to deal with that, but until you do, you will see an continuing series of train wrecks until the day you die.
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Could be.

GKC
 
Ferde_Rombola said:
A while ago I mentioned Luther and Henry freeing their minions from the authority of the pope and mentioned the millions who have followed them over the cliff. No one seems to want to deal with that, but until you do, you will see an continuing series of train wrecks until the day you die.
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You realize, Mr. Sulu, that my agents would avenge my death. And some of them are Vulcans.
 
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