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jimkhong said:
If Evangelical Continuing Anglicans can be in communion with the conservative Africans in the Anglican communion (if I understand GKC correctly), why not get our traditionalists and their liberals to be in communion? To paraphrase, why cause problems in two of our friendly Communions, when we can cause problems in just one of their united Communion.
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You understand GKC’s understanding correctly.

GKC
 
GKC said:
No, neither nostalgia nor a golden age. Just the Elizabethan compromise, messy and makeshift. With blow-ups, as in the Ritualist movement.

I think my parish was perfect around 2007.

Nostalgia, there.

GKC
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Agree that Elizabeth did a good job even though her motivations was primarily religious.
 
GKC said:
You understand GKC’s understanding correctly.

GKC
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Thanks, I am learning fast.

Guys, this has been on of the better threads I have been in and learnt a lot here. Even our resident traditionalist has been a comparative gentleman.
 
jimkhong said:
Agree that Elizabeth did a good job even though her motivations was primarily religious.
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They were primarily political, A peaceful realm, not torn by the sectarian factions that might bring down a throne. Peace, at the price of coherence.

That didn’t work all that well, for all concerned, but the CoE sailed through it.

GKC
 
jimkhong said:
If Evangelical Continuing Anglicans can be in communion with the conservative Africans in the Anglican communion (if I understand GKC correctly), why not get our traditionalists and their liberals to be in communion? To paraphrase, why cause problems in two of our friendly Communions, when we can cause problems in just one of their united Communion.
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Ironic that the Church of England and Church of Sweden have led the way back to Rome, where we all belong.
 
jimkhong said:
Thanks, I am learning fast.

Guys, this has been on of the better threads I have been in and learnt a lot here. Even our resident traditionalist has been a comparative gentleman.
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Who might that be? I know a traditionalist about in the area who is generally so irenic he can make your teeth ache, and poses a clear danger to diabetics in his vicinity.

Or so I’ve heard.

GKC
 
Anglicans have faithfully maintained the Catholic faith and tradition that led to the Ordinariates; the first to return. Provoo Communion was a natural outcome. The Lutheran-Catholic Commission on Unity is the eager effort of the Lutheran World Federation.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Anglicans have faithfully maintained the Catholic faith and tradition that led to the Ordinariates; the first to return. Provoo Communion was a natural outcome. The Lutheran-Catholic Commission on Unity is the eager effort of the Lutheran World Federation.
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This Episcopalian would live for all to come together…just not under the Bishop of Rome.🙂
 
GKC said:
Who might that be? I know a traditionalist about in the area who is generally so irenic he can make your teeth ache, and poses a clear danger to diabetics in his vicinity.

Or so I’ve heard.

GKC
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I would seriously appreciate a description of the Liturgy in your parish, circa 2007
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Anglicans have faithfully maintained the Catholic faith and tradition that led to the Ordinariates; the first to return. Provoo Communion was a natural outcome. The Lutheran-Catholic Commission on Unity is the eager effort of the Lutheran World Federation.
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I await the influx of female clergy into the Ordinariate. Absolute ordination, I am sure.

Sometimes, when I discern what you are saying, I still wonder what you are saying.

GKC
 
I’m just a guest in this thread, humbly attentive. If I could make one request of the several gurus, it would be to comment on how Episcopal/Anglican faith influences the response - if it does currently - to the biggest issue of my lifetime - legalization of abortion. I am not referring to whether abortion itself is bad - everybody says it is sad. But some Christians and congregations - believe abortion should be discouraged, but legal; while others believe it should be illegal. Christian denominations have supported both sides.

This is not inserting my opinion into the thread - I know this issue was identified as extremely important by many in the Anglican Communion over the past 50 years. If the bishops of 1950 could be brought back to life today, I bet they would say this was one of the most significant changes since 1950, as an issue very relevant to the Church.

Does Anglican faith and morality affect your congregation’s position, specifically on whether abortion should be legal? (Yes everybody makes up their own mind, but parishes might lean prolife, prochoice, or take no position).

Optional intrusive personal question: Is parish or denominational position or non-position on abortion one of the several factors why you chose this congregation or denomination?
 
GKC said:
I await the influx of female clergy into the Ordinariate. Absolute ordination, I am sure.

Sometimes, when I discern what you are saying, I still wonder what you are saying.

GKC
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I thought specificity didn’t fit the motley crew?
 
aidanbradypop said:
This Episcopalian would live for all to come together…just not under the Bishop of Rome.🙂
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Well, it has to be under one bishop or another. TEC is under the PB, Anglicans under Canterbury, Orthodox under EP and Lutherans under … :confused:. (Well three out of four ain’t bad). So, if not Rome, which bishop.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
I would seriously appreciate a description of the Liturgy in your parish, circa 2007
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It was primarily the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, usually with some additions and supplementals from the Anglican Missal. Fr. Y (the late Fr. Y) was more AC than his assistant, who was AC in plenitude. Bells, smells and yells galore. The occasional Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament.

Mass was usually followed by a sung Angelus. And lasted close to two hours.

And maybe 2007 was a little late for the golden age. A year or so earlier, we often got the minor Propers chanted, in Latin. My daughter, (BA in Latin/Classics, magistra) often would correct the wording, on her Mass bulletin.

You could get the idea from the 1928 BCP, but it was more than that.

GKC
 
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I’m just a guest in this thread, humbly attentive. If I could make one request of the several gurus, it would be to comment on how Episcopal/Anglican faith influences the response - if it does currently - to the biggest issue of my lifetime - legalization of abortion. I am not referring to whether abortion itself is bad - everybody says it is sad. But some Christians and congregations - believe abortion should be discouraged, but legal; while others believe it should be illegal. Christian denominations have supported both sides.

This is not inserting my opinion into the thread - I know this issue was identified as extremely important by many in the Anglican Communion over the past 50 years. If the bishops of 1950 could be brought back to life today, I bet they would say this was one of the most significant changes since 1950, as an issue very relevant to the Church.

Does Anglican faith and morality affect your congregation’s position, specifically on whether abortion should be legal? (Yes everybody makes up their own mind, but parishes might lean prolife, prochoice, or take no position).

Optional intrusive personal question: Is parish or denominational position or non-position on abortion one of the several factors why you chose this congregation or denomination?
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The parish was extremely active in picketing the local abortions clinic(s), along with a spectrum of other religious forces. There are now none in the city.

I hear it condemned with regularity from the pulpit.

GKC
 
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