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That’s what I was implying.
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ioannes_pius
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That is incorrect. Unpardonable sins are not the only sins which will land someone in Hell.
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Wozza
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It’s authorative for you because it’s the word of God. So if it says in the bible ‘Do unto others as you would have them do unto you’, then you need to take that seriously. It’s how God would want you to act. But I hope that you would agree that it makes a lot of sense as well. Let’s face it, God isn’t going to urge you to do something that’s going to make matters worse.
So you can see this lesson in morality on two levels (at least I hope you can). One, it’s a great idea in itself and two, it’s what God wants.
And to add, this is not a Christian idea. It’s been going around for a lot longer than Christianity has existed. And it was still being promoted by Christianity (and others) simply because it was a great idea. And as a Christian I’m sure that you would suggest that it was an idea put into the mind of Man by God whenever it first appeared. No problem there.
Now we know the Christian version because Jesus was reported to have said it on the sermon on the mount. I said ‘reported to have said’ because there is no way we can tell if He actually said those words at that time. But it’s there in the bible.
Now I think that there’s a better chance that Jesus existed than did Plato. There’s hardly any contemporary evidence for Plato except for the writings of Aristotle and others who reported what he was meant to have said. But does that mean that everything we have attributed to Plato can therefore be ignored? Of course not. His words, whether they were actually spoken by him (or even whether he actually existed) stand on their own. They are either worth listening to or they are not.
It’s the same with what Jesus is meant to have said. Whether he existed or not (and I believe He did) and whether He actually used those exact words at that time is irrelevant to me. His words stand on their own.
So please don’t tell me I can’t use biblical quotes or post passages from the bible. I have as much right to do that as I would in quoting Plato or passages from the Quoran or the Mahayana Sutras. If there is something within someone’s scriptures that makes sense and needs repeating then it will be repeated.
And the Golden Rule makes a lot of sense. If you can appreciate it on the two levels that I mentioned earlier - that it’s a great idea AND it’s what God wants, then you can see why I’d promote it. It’s something that we should do. Because we both agree that not doing it would be a bad idea. And because you also believe that it’s what God wants.
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STT
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Ummm. Why does’t God offer this red to all individuals?
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Wozza
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When I joined I put that down to indicate a cultural Anglican. I should change it to atheist. Although there is a lot of presumptions immediately when people see that which I’d like to avoid. But I do need to change it.
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goout
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I have a question:
Why are you on a Catholic forum asking questions about the existence of God, if you don’t believe God exists?
If you don’t believe God exists, the people here ought to be morons in that worldview.
It’s not much different than me going to the purple unicorn forum and spending hours debating with the purple unicorn followers.
The fact that you are doing this is a refutation of atheism.
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AlmaRedemptorisMater
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Disbelieving in God doesn’t solve the problem of evil (if that was your concern), to my mind it actually exacerbates it.
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MJDorry
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Though not intending to imply or assume anything about your personal character (I don’t), I contend that this line of thought is born of a philosophy of false humility and appreciation, and belies a fundamental misunderstanding of the experience of loss in the subject.
If when you die, that’s it, then the more accurate phrasing would be “I will cherish what I have now because I won’t cherish it later”…Does that sentence make sense to you?
The implication in the logic being not that you will lose anything at all, but that you will cease to exist as a subject, and so loss and appreciation are rendered irrational and ultimately nonexistent, just the cognitive junk of a phenomenal fact that behaves as though it is a subject, but which is possessed of no such subiectivity.
tl;dr If when you die, you cease to exist, then at best you are under no obligation to appreciate anything, and at worst, appreciation is an unfair and cruel burden to foist upon yourself.
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I’d say it renders it a moot point. In the absence of an ultimate source of goodness, the concept of evil is nonsense; the disgust we feel at supposedly evil acts is the only actual baseline for it, and that disgust is nothing more than some chemical reactions in the brain.
He does.
But you are free to agree to try it, or to turn it down.
Also, for some people, red is an acquired taste. They have to persevere before seeing what others mean about red being so beautiful. Others have trouble distinguishing red at first, but slowly, if they give it a good chance, they can learn to recognize red, and to enjoy it.
But you are free to agree to try it, or to turn it down.
Also, for some people, red is an acquired taste. They have to persevere before seeing what others mean about red being so beautiful. Others have trouble distinguishing red at first, but slowly, if they give it a good chance, they can learn to recognize red, and to enjoy it.
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halogirl
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He does. He speaks to you through others, like on here. God is looking for you even now
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STT
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I have met many individuals who asked God but they didn’t receive anything.
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STT
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I have met many individuals who asked God but they didn’t receive anything.
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Wozza
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That’s being silly, goout. A third of the planet is Christian. And over half believe in God. How many people believe in purple unicorns?
As Someguy said, he was Catholic. I was Anglican. We decided that neither faith represented reality as we see it. Not sure about Someguy, but I really would like to find out why you, and so many others, think so differently.
And yes, there are morons in every forum (pm me if you want a list). And my parents were devout Christians and quite intelligent. As are a lot of my friends. Although the majority here seem a lot more intelligent than I am.
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STT
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What do you ask from God? Love? What these people are doing wrong? They love and respect other people. Why they should love God when they are not not touched with Him?
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HopkinsReb
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Aye, this is well-said.goout:
That’s being silly, goout. A third of the planet is Christian. And over half believe in God. How many people believe in purple unicorns?
As Someguy said, he was Catholic. I was Anglican. We decided that neither faith represented reality as we see it. Not sure about Someguy, but I really would like to find out why you, and so many others, think so differently.
And yes, there are morons in every forum (pm me if you want a list). And my parents were devout Christians and quite intelligent. As are a lot of my friends. Although the majority here seem a lot more intelligent than I am.
I know really stupid Christians, really smart Christians, really stupid atheists, and really smart atheists.
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STT
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So you have perceived actual red? You obviously experience something. How could you be sure that that is the actual red?
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mrsdizzyd
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I ask God to help me know and do His will.mrsdizzyd:
What do you ask from God? Love? What these people are doing wrong? They love and respect other people. Why they should love God when they are not not touched with Him?
Refusing to be touched by God is not the same thing as not being touched by God.
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