Asked to leave my Protestant Church

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What can I say? Eyes all swollen in tears of sorrow supplanted by joy. This thread is a sharing in the failures and triumphs of the subtle saints of our time. Thank you all so much for your wonderful writings and inspiring wittness. I can only recite a song written by Rory Cooney, that might be appropriatein these circumstances:

REFRAIN:
Change our hearts thistime, your word says it can be.
Change our minds this time, your life could make us free.

We are the people your call set a-part,
Lord, this time, change our hearts.

VERSES:
Brought by your hand to the edge of our dreams, one foot in paradise, one in the waste, drawn by your promises, still we are lured, by the shadows and the chains we leave behind, But…(to REFRAIN)

Now as we watch you strech out your hands, off’ring abundances, fulness of joy. Your milk and honey seem distant , unreal, when we have bread and water in our hands. But…(to REFRAIN)

Show us the way that leads to your side, over the mountains and sands of the soul. Be for us manna, water from stone, light which says we NEVER walk alone, AND…(to REFRAIN)

Humeterous en Christos
 
:Some crimes are so horrendos that we should never be concerned about the perpetrators of such crimes other than to ensure they cannot re-offend at all costs. Can anyone imagine that Christ will open his arms to them and say welcome to the house that I have prepared for you with me in heaven.:

However difficult, the Gospel requires us to believe just that. Any sin can be forgiven if the sinner repents. God’s mercy has no limits except our willingness to repent and turn back to Him. Deny that, and you’re denying the Faith at the most basic level. No matter how horrendous someone’s sins are, we should always be concerned for their salvation. That is yet another reason to make sure that they face up to the consequences of what they did, and that they are not allowed to harm others in the future. The bishops who reassigned priests who had abused minors were not just sinning against the boys those priests would abuse (though that was the worst of their sin)–they were also sinning against the priests themselves by putting them in a situation that would tempt them to commit even more horrendous sins and take further steps toward damnation.

And all of that should remind Catholics on this board (I admit I’m Episcopalian, myself) that the sort of thing Cat and Petra have described happens in all churches without exception. I’m glad that Cat and Petra have turned to Catholicism as a result of their traumatic experiences, but others have turned away from the Church because of the way priests treated them.

In Christ,

Edwin
 
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Contarini:
…the sort of thing Cat and Petra have described happens in all churches without exception. I’m glad that Cat and Petra have turned to Catholicism as a result of their traumatic experiences, but others have turned away from the Church because of the way priests treated them.
Yes, abuse can certainly happen anywhere.

Actually, I didn’t become a Catholic in direct response to what happened to me. My circumstances merely put me in a position in which I was open to learning about the Catholic Church. I was subsequently convinced theologically that Catholicism is closer to what God intends the Church to be.

Anyone’s decision to align with either Catholicism or Protestantism should be based on truth — not a reaction from woundedness. Of course, this is the ideal. Wounds can sometimes make our sight foggy for a time.
 
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Apologia100:
Sometimes, a man like Billy Hybels or Joel Olstein create a church body that reaches thousands of congregants, by what happens to the church when the preacher stops preaching? It usually slowly vanishes to nothing within a few years. Look at Robert Schuller’s Crystal Cathedral.
Amen to that, Apologia. My husband has named these congregations “Man Churches”, because they truly do center on one man (usually: could be a woman I guess) and when he dies / falls / leaves, the church does too. Recently I drove past the spot where Robert Tilton’s “church” stood for many years here in Dallas. It was being bulldozed. Powerful irony there.

Cat, welcome home! I love your analogy of being on the outside looking in, as a convert myself I totally sympathize. Keep praying for your kids, they’ll eventually come around.

Just this weekend I met a woman who was thrown out of the First Baptist Church of Dallas (Pastor Criswell’s church) after over 20 years of active service there, for being baptized in the Holy Spirit. You are not alone in your experience. I am glad, however, that it has led you to The Rock.

Robin
 
Petra and Briand, I am so sorry to hear of what happened to you in your original churches. I will include you (and you too, Cat) in my prayers.

One note I might make is that we as a community of believers are supposed to “be there” for each other. One of our goals as a “church” is to help “build the ladder” by which our brothers and sisters can get to Heaven, recognizing of course the central feature of the grace and mercy of Jesus. That includes service to one another in times of need, honest confrontation when sin comes up, encouragement in prayer and growth of faith, etc. An abusive marriage or a need for assistance should never be treated as reasons to toss out fellow believers, but rathers opportunities to SERVE one another. Petra, I believe your husband needed real service from his church, in the form of intervention and counseling. His needs were not met, and yours were certainly not met. Briand, I am astonished that a request for assistance after being burned was rejected and that you were told never to ask for help.

As for your wish for the Nephites, or something like them, take heart. Judgement Day cometh! We will ALL answer for our unrepented sins. 👍 Heading off to Confession now…
 
Hi Cat,

I am soooo very sorry to hear of your trauma. I bounced around from various Protestant churches too for many many years. I can really relate to how you felt. I often felt the “proverbial” wall go up as well. Seemed like I was always on the other side of the window looking in.

While I didn’t have quite the dramatic “don’t let the door kick ya in the rear on the way out” event that you had, I did experience a sort of “shunning” that was very painful.

But you know what, the Lord uses those painful doors-in-the-face to guide us. I remember thinking, “I’ve been hit in the nose so many times I’m surprised my nose isn’t flat as pancake!” Ha!

Praise God, sounds like you are finally right where you are supposed to be! I know I am, and now when I look back on everything that happened to me I truly can laugh and say “Look at how the Lord loved me!” (Short of sending me a fax, there really was no better way to get me on the Journey Home).

God Bless you,

Lilac
 
Tim Hayes:
Cat, those Nephites are the people and all the people in the Church. Most people are not willing to speak up and take a proper stand.

“…the bishops who continued to cover up the priestly sex crimes against Children, Those Bishops will more than likely spend their eternity in hell…”

Christ does not talk about it being better for those such person to hang a big stone around their neck and drown, for nothing.

“…what it always requires is for people to take a reasoned approach and expose those who are evil…” .

In Christ

Tim
Dear Cat and Tim , and everybody,

First, as a cradle Catholic, I’d like to mention that the Catholic Church is not in the business of exposing to the public the sins peopel confess to them. They tried it during the Inquisition and they are still being blamed for the Inquisition.
I DO agree that the pedofile priests should have been handled in a much different way. But I laso know I am not qualified as to decide what way.

BUT i also know that when I go to confess my sins, I do not want it taken out of the confessional and told to anybody let alone broadcast to the world.
Recently I went to confession and the priest told me to leave, because he felt that I was not prepared for confession. I was acting more like i was laying blame elsewhere than recognizing my own part in the happenngs. I was shocked by what the priest did, but he was right.

Comfession is about relaying out loud MY part in MY sin in any situation; confession is about MY part for which I, will be held accountable before God.

The Bishops are responsible for their part in the sins of the pedofiles against the children, by not making sure other children were protected.

But can you see how they were in a “damned if you do” and “damned if you don’t” situation? They are held bound to never reveal what is said in a confession, OR ELSE the rest of us will not trust them to hold secret our confessions.

The pedofile, by confessing his sins, effectively holds the Church hostage, and makes the church another victim to the sin…

This is what “increase of sin” is all about. The pedofile is the SOURCE of the problem taking advantage of the rules and efforts of the Church. That is the nature of their predator mindset.

Such a predatory mindset is not unique to any religion, but it is started in immature spiritual formation.

I have been embroiled in lawsuit in which a supposedly ‘Catholic’ priest is travelling all over the USA, after purchasing 3 of my Mom’s original artworks. He’s been telling people that HE was the CREATOR of HER artworks. He claims he had some “vision” and “heard the voice of the Holy Spirit” and then told my Mom what to paint.

He never told US that story BEFORE he bought her paintings.

He’s even made those claims about my Mom’s painting which he did not purchase, a painting which was conceived and created 20 years before we even knew he existed. He had prints made of my Mom’s artworks on which he put that HE was "creator and co-

What is the last thing any conartist ever wants to have happen to themselves? Exposure. Yet the law says if you expose people you can get sued for slander and libel, and if you can’t afford to get a lawyer willing to take you on, too bad.

I had to take a leap of faith. I had to decide to push back, begin to ask questions everywhere.

Do I live my faith according to what my faith teaches? Or do I let this con-artist scare me with threats and even filing a false police report upon me? I was scared, but then my confessor asked me if I wanted to allow the “priest” to perpetrate a crime like this on the Church, and other artists.

If Mom dies before this is starightened out or before we get legal statements down, it’s my word against his.
And after all, he’s a “priest”.

The Church gives a sinner every chance to make amends, and can ask him to obey God’s laws, but they cannot Make him obey God’s laws. It’s his own choice, but everybody else gets to suffer for his reputation, don’t they?

The only way the truth is going to be told is if somebody takes the leap of courage to tell it. My confessor told me one other thing “Never fear the devil more than you trust in Jesus.” It has become my motto.
Theresa
 
HEY BRIAND!!!

The door aint locked, buddy!

The door is NEVER locked.

You just are not ready.

God is ALLREADY working on you… you are welcomed back and YOU KNOW IT… all you have to do is reach back…

By having you post HERE and at the DCF board… is proof enough that GRACE is working in you…

My prayers are with you! Come on home!
 
Cat,

Welcome HOME to Rome!!!:love:

Never stop “feeding” those stray cats like you are doing here. Even the Catholic Church has some evildoers that kick stray cats out too. Jesus told St. Peter to “feed My Sheep” no less then 3 times and I hate to see His Church do what has happened to you in another church. You need to be our example to give those cats a home. Praise God we have you.

Isn’t it strange how so many protestant preachers claim Biblical authority for themselves but deny it to anyone else?:whacky: The ‘keys’ were issued to ensure authority in the Church, Christ’s body and not to give one to everyone toting a Bible. You have experienced a horrible thing in any Christian church.

I love the RCC because it does have authority! It has the ‘keys’ and a deposit of Faith given by Jesus. Faith and Morals do not change with the popular opinion like in other churches.

Thank you for the light you shine that has helped me ‘see’ a little more clearly. I shall pray for your kids as they now need all our prayers. My kids have also been destroyed by the “Buffet Line” church hopping I did as a protestant. I am ashamed of it now, picking a church to fit my own beliefs instead of finding one that taught Gods belief like His Catholic Church does! I hope they will find their salvation too someday as do your children.

I hope others learn to welcome souls into our Church and not to slam the door on them as happens all too often.

I hope you pray for the ones you mentioned also, they need it. God loves all His children, right or wrong, good or bad. We all have a shot at salvation!:love:

Malachi4U
 
Hello “Cat”

I have had similar experiences to you, wherein “in your face” Evangelical Fundamentalist Protestants have declared me an outsider because of my beliefs, shunned me in bible studies, almost let me know I was not welcome to be in a position of a nominated deacon in the Presbyterian Church because I expressed some questions with “sola scriptura”. Well phooey on them–what do they even know anyway? Nearly nothing in the light of things and in light of the Truth and Jesus and His true Church. Praise the Lord for this!!! They are the ones in the dark, not us.

Have you read the book “Catholicism and Fundamentalism”? by Keating? It sheds so much light on this issue.

I myself come from such a background. I have numerous Fundamentalist Protestants in my family, and yes, it’s a real hardship to attempt to show them, or even begin to share with them, the Truth. I have found some people will NEVER see the other side of the coin, no matter how hard you try, whether on another website, in your family, whatever. God says don’t keep the company of fools, there is so much truth to this. This has been a particular lesson for me, as I want so much for others to see my side. But it’s to no avail.

Cat, whatever your journey in the faith, KNOW you are not alone. Many of us, here have similar experiences. Praise God! And HE is so faithful!

Many blessings to you today dear one–
 
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Cat:
I appreciate all the kind thoughts so far. And yes, now that I am in the Catholic Church, I realize that this whole horrible incident was actually a blessing. I never would have looked into the Catholic Church if I had been peacefully ensconced in my evangelical church!
Hi Cat, and welcome…as I was reading your story, I kept thinking how amazing it was that God ways are not always OUR ways, and what a blessing it was, even though you suffered greatly, that His Will was ultimately done, and you responded with similar actions that Mary did … 'I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." Luke 1:38 (RSV) You listened to His prompting and came to Him in His Church. Welcome. I was an RCIA sponsor this year, and it was a wonderful rejuvenation for my faith, of which I converted 7 years ago. May our Lord bless you abundantly…
 
Sounds like you really need to find a good, Bible-based church. I’m sad that your experience at an ECFA church has soured you.
 
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Poisson:
Sounds like she did!
the catholic church? ok.

I grew up catholic. From experience, I will say that there really wasn’t much Bible stressed. Yes, there were 3 readings every Sunday…but not much more.
 
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Spider-man:
the catholic church? ok.

I grew up catholic. From experience, I will say that there really wasn’t much Bible stressed. Yes, there were 3 readings every Sunday…but not much more.
there is Mass 7 days a week. The Catechism states:

133 The Church "forcefully and specifically exhorts all the Christian faithful. . . to learn the surpassing knowledge of Jesus Christ, by frequent reading of the divine Scriptures. Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.
 
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Spider-man:
the catholic church? ok.

I grew up catholic. From experience, I will say that there really wasn’t much Bible stressed. Yes, there were 3 readings every Sunday…but not much more.
The whole Bible in 3 years, how much more do you want? Plus most churches have Bible studies. Most of the prayers in the mass are based on Bible passages. You aren’t serious are you?
 
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Spider-man:
the catholic church? ok.

I grew up catholic. From experience, I will say that there really wasn’t much Bible stressed. Yes, there were 3 readings every Sunday…but not much more.
So evidently at that time you felt you had no responsibility as a Christian to seek to know more about God?

It was the Church’s fault you didn’t read your Bible on your own time?

SV
 
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Poisson:
The whole Bible in 3 years, how much more do you want? Plus most churches have Bible studies. Most of the prayers in the mass are based on Bible passages. You aren’t serious are you?
I’m aware of that.

Yes, they have Biblical passages. Yes, the prayers are based off Biblical passages.

My issue is the fact that aside from Sunday morning, most lay catholics I know (including a huge catholic family) don’t ever open their Bible during the week–if in fact they even own one. When I started attending an evangelical church, I was still living w/my parents, and I remember my dad questioning who’s Bible it was that he found lying around. It was really a foreign concept to him to actually read the Bible. This is a man who went to a catholic school from k-12, and his sister is a nun.

Also, in the Evangelical churches I’ve attended, it seems that the ratio of committed believers to non-committed just seems to be higher than in the catholic church. We are actually encouraged to seek God on our own. In the catholic churches I grew up in we just kind of went through the motions going to weekly mass…etc…
 
St Veronica:
So evidently at that time you felt you had no responsibility as a Christian to seek to know more about God?

It was the Church’s fault you didn’t read your Bible on your own time?

SV
Yes. It was the church’s fault. They are the spiritual leaders. They are to shepherd the people–including a little encouragement to actually read the Bible and learn a little more about God.
 
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