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Lemuel
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It’s people who believe in the Constitution who are.
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edwest211
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I think people should totally forget about politics and politicians for one moment. You don’t have to be super rich to own one assault rifle modified to fire full auto to shoot a military type target. I know people who own a variety of weapons for no reasonable purpose and it’s usually a mix like one assault rifle, a shotgun, a handgun and a few others. What? They’re going to shoot a home invader with their semi-auto, a shotgun and a handgun for good measure?
How long is a trained former military person going to hold off a team of more heavily armed military forces? Is he waiting for the ‘government takeover’ scenario where he’s transported to a labor camp as a forced laborer subject to execution if he tries to escape? Will he and his fellow gun owners band together to take down assault helicopters, armored vehicles and drones sent by an unnamed entity to flush them out? Or when his area is flooded with terrorists out to kill Americans?
Where do street gangs get their AK-47s from? What about gun violence in Chicago? To quote a person who lives there: “It’s like somebody just dropped a crate of guns down here and even kids are carrying.” I suspect it was more than one crate.
I suggest some research be done regarding the sources of all weapons owned by people in the US. Not a names directory, just a detailed breakdown of sources, including information from the police and ATF about illegal (not just modified) weapons recovered in drug raids, etc. The Las Vegas shooter had 47 weapons? Really?
How many weapons, what types and what amount of ammunition would make you feel safe? 10,000 rounds? Twice that?
Again, take the politics out of this and try to gain a more well-rounded perspective. I don’t doubt for a second that some intelligence agency has this information already.
How long is a trained former military person going to hold off a team of more heavily armed military forces? Is he waiting for the ‘government takeover’ scenario where he’s transported to a labor camp as a forced laborer subject to execution if he tries to escape? Will he and his fellow gun owners band together to take down assault helicopters, armored vehicles and drones sent by an unnamed entity to flush them out? Or when his area is flooded with terrorists out to kill Americans?
Where do street gangs get their AK-47s from? What about gun violence in Chicago? To quote a person who lives there: “It’s like somebody just dropped a crate of guns down here and even kids are carrying.” I suspect it was more than one crate.
I suggest some research be done regarding the sources of all weapons owned by people in the US. Not a names directory, just a detailed breakdown of sources, including information from the police and ATF about illegal (not just modified) weapons recovered in drug raids, etc. The Las Vegas shooter had 47 weapons? Really?
How many weapons, what types and what amount of ammunition would make you feel safe? 10,000 rounds? Twice that?
Again, take the politics out of this and try to gain a more well-rounded perspective. I don’t doubt for a second that some intelligence agency has this information already.
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Maximilian75
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It does give him more credibility that the majority of people on this thread, some of which probably have never handled a firearm in their lives.
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edwest211
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An AR-15 is surprisingly light. But no, I’ve never fired a gun.
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Maximilian75
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So, wouldn’t it stand to reason that a veteran is better qualified to speak about the firearm problem in our recount country much more than either either of us?
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Spyridon
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You’ve never fired a gun…
Yet I was brought up shooting guns since 7 years of age, trained by the United States Military, and earned a special Marksmanship award firing an M-16A1 Assault Rifle.
You don’t think my perspective about wanting legislation to alleviate gun violence and or wanting it to be harder for people to acquire semi auto assault style weapons or wanting bump stocks banned - you don’t think my background gives me at least some authority on the issue? The fact I’ve sworn a solemn oath to defend the United States constitution with my very life blood?
And you have the gall to call my motives or integrity into question, or call me derogatory terms like “gungrabber”? You claim I am against the Constitution which I have sworn to defend with my life? Have you sworn an oath to the United States Constitution? I would be tempted to throttle you if you said that to my face - fisticuffs would be exceedingly hard for me to avoid in this context.
Yet I was brought up shooting guns since 7 years of age, trained by the United States Military, and earned a special Marksmanship award firing an M-16A1 Assault Rifle.
You don’t think my perspective about wanting legislation to alleviate gun violence and or wanting it to be harder for people to acquire semi auto assault style weapons or wanting bump stocks banned - you don’t think my background gives me at least some authority on the issue? The fact I’ve sworn a solemn oath to defend the United States constitution with my very life blood?
And you have the gall to call my motives or integrity into question, or call me derogatory terms like “gungrabber”? You claim I am against the Constitution which I have sworn to defend with my life? Have you sworn an oath to the United States Constitution? I would be tempted to throttle you if you said that to my face - fisticuffs would be exceedingly hard for me to avoid in this context.
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Vonsalza
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One of these is a fully automatic M16 “assault rifle”. Very hard to purchase.
One of these is a semi automatic AR15 “sportsman’s rifle”. Very easy to purchase.
The joke is that the gun lobby would really have you believe that these are substantially different weapons.
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One of these is a semi automatic AR15 “sportsman’s rifle”. Very easy to purchase.
The joke is that the gun lobby would really have you believe that these are substantially different weapons.
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Maximilian75
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There are substantial differences, though
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Vonsalza
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I own several ARs and shot several M16s at Ft. Knox, Kentucky.
The only difference might be some barrel length and a selector switch (and the few internal components connected to it). That’s it.
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Maximilian75
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Selector switch. The media makes semi auto and full auto seem the same, when there is a world of difference between them.
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Vonsalza
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In use, not particularly.
Marksmanship doesn’t much apply to full-auto use. If you’re wanting to punch paper or skulls, you’re in semi-auto.
Cover fire is about all full was good for.
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Maximilian75
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In a crowded concert venue or a movie theatre? I feel like full auto would be more useful than semi if mass killing was the aim. However, I am only a novice shooter and have never shot a fully automatic firearm.
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exnihilo
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Actually those are the US law which makes them substantially different. According to the US law this is the firearm. Not so scary with everything taken off.
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Vonsalza
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Yes, by US law a “firearm” is the receiver.
And it’s not scary with everything taken off probably because it’s rendered non-functioning at that point.
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exnihilo
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I agree. Function makes a difference. So the function of full auto makes a difference from the function of semi auto.
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edwest211
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No. Law-enforcement should educate the public. Using real names and real identities.
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edwest211
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This is a dodge. No one would own only part of a weapon. Look at the covers of the various gun magazines. A rifle with all the attachments known to man. Drool cup not included.
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SuperLuigi
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Not necessarily. His next response is…concerning.
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exnihilo
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No, legally this is a very important distinction. Of course most people don’t want just a receiver. But if you have a receiver you have a firearm under US law.
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