Assumption of Mary and Protestants?

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Nicea325 said:
And unfortunately many beliefs Protestants teach are not in the Bible either, yet they teach it. Case in point: faith alone.
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Actually, I’m pretty sure that there has been sufficient reconciliation over Justification between mainline Protestants and Catholics.

Pope Benedict’s efforts were very constructive and productive. We are initially Justified by faith apart from works, yet works play a role in final Justification. Faith must not be opposed to Charity, and saving Works are the work of the Lord, which we cooperate through faith to accomplish.

Obviously we can’t lump all Protestants together with many articles of faith.
 
Debbie_Kono said:
…and the Bible is the final authority.
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Yup! Yet many Protestants I have met state Sola Scriptura is not a doctrine. My response:

One of many discrepancies within Protestant circles; many different understandings and variations of SS, Faith alone, OSAS, etc.
 
Debbie_Kono said:
…and the Bible is the final authority.
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Depends. I can say the Bible is the final authority, because the Bible gives authority to the Church. Neither is above the other. But men cause the Church authority to be very difficult to discern, at times.
 
rcwitness said:
Actually, I’m pretty sure that there has been sufficient reconciliation over Justification between mainline Protestants and Catholics.

Pope Benedict’s efforts were very constructive and productive. We are initially Justified by faith apart from works, yet works play a role in final Justification. Faith must not be opposed to Charity, and saving Works are the work of the Lord, which we cooperate through faith to accomplish.

Obviously we can’t lump all Protestants together with many articles of faith.
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From my understanding, it has been between Lutherans and Catholics. Oh by all I means, I am not declaring all Protestants are in the same circle.
 
Nicea325 said:
From my understanding, it has been between Lutherans and Catholics. Oh by all I means, I am not declaring all Protestants are in the same circle.
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Right. And not even all Lutherans. There are great variations of Lutheran beliefs!
 
rcwitness said:
Depends. I can say the Bible is the final authority, because the Bible gives authority to the Church. Neither is above the other. But men cause the Church authority to be very difficult to discern, at times.
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:hmmm:

Not true. Christ founded His Church with authority., not a Bible The Bible does not surpass the Church.
 
Nicea325 said:
:hmmm:

Not true. Christ founded His Church with authority., not a Bible The Bible does not surpass the Church.
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The Bible is the written Word of God! Just as the Eucharist is God in the form of bread and wine.

The Catechism says:
The Church has always venerated the divine scriptures as she venerated the Body of the Lord, in so far as she never ceases, particularly in the sacred liturgy, to partake of the bread of life and to offer it to the faithful from the one table of the Word of God and the Body of Christ.

There is no authority higher than Scripture. But I don’t encourage anyone to interpret Scripture in contradiction to the Church Magisterium.
 
Nicea325 said:
Yup! Yet many Protestants I have met state Sola Scriptura is not a doctrine. My response:

One of many discrepancies within Protestant circles; many different understandings and variations of SS, Faith alone, OSAS, etc.
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The way I understand Sola Scriptura is that it is not a doctrine but is a principle. Scripture is the standard for that which is taught to be measured against.

Those who understand Sola Scriptura correct me if I didn’t state it clearly.

Blessings!

Rita
 
I’m back. I had to work, you know, that American past time luxury.

I hear you. Any protestant who practices anything contrary to the Apostolic Church is in error. It works either way. This is not about whether you are protestant or catholic. Why must everything be in those terms? This is about truth verses error.

The Apostle Paul, (who wrote two-thirds of the new testament) when he was under the power of the holy Spirit said these words to the Church at Galatia “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed.” (Gal. 1:8) Paul went on to say, "for I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. 1:12

Paul’s doctrine came from Jesus Christ. He was one of the foundational people who witnessed Jesus Christ after his resurrection. These are the true witnesses to expound doctrine.

What are your thoughts?

tgGodsway
 
Nicea325 said:
:hmmm:

Not true. Christ founded His Church with authority., not a Bible The Bible does not surpass the Church.
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Then why quote or refer to the Bible in the Catechism as a source at all? Why not just have footnotes saying something like … “From God” or “By the Authority of the Church”?🤷
 
tgGodsway said:
I’m back. I had to work, you know, that American past time luxury.

I hear you. Any protestant who practices anything contrary to the Apostolic Church is in error. It works either way. This is not about whether you are protestant or catholic. Why must everything be in those terms? This is about truth verses error.

The Apostle Paul, (who wrote two-thirds of the new testament) when he was under the power of the holy Spirit said these words to the Church at Galatia “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed.” (Gal. 1:8) Paul went on to say, "for I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. 1:12

Paul’s doctrine came from Jesus Christ. He was one of the foundational people who witnessed Jesus Christ after his resurrection. These are the true witnesses to expound doctrine.

What are your thoughts?

tgGodsway
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We should keep on the subject of the Assumption, right?

Have you read the document (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munificentissimus_Deus) which Pope Pius XII Infallible Taught, as binding, the Assumption of Mary?
 
MichaelP3 said:
Then why quote or refer to the Bible in the Catechism as a source at all? Why not just have footnotes saying something like … “From God” or “By the Authority of the Church”?🤷
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Right! Because the Scriptures, written by the highest authority in the Church (Apostles and their contemporaries), are the most authoritative documents in the Church! Even in a separate class from all others!
 
rcwitness said:
Right! Because the Scriptures, written by the highest authority in the Church (Apostles and their contemporaries), are the most authoritative documents in the Church! Even in a separate class from all others!
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Hi there.

I tend to understood that in a way that you agree with me (I certainly agree with your post) but I just need to be sure? 🙂
 
MichaelP3 said:
Then why quote or refer to the Bible in the Catechism as a source at all? Why not just have footnotes saying something like … “From God” or “By the Authority of the Church”?🤷
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Because we have a canonized Bible today, which is why we can refer to it. That was not the case in the year 100 AD.
 
MichaelP3 said:
Hi there.

I tend to understood that in a way that you agree with me (I certainly agree with your post) but I just need to be sure? 🙂
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Yes. And I think the Scriptures being Confirmed into a Canon needed both clergy and Sacred Tradition, in order to be properly relied on as Scripture.
 
rcwitness said:
The Bible is the written Word of God! Just as the Eucharist is God in the form of bread and wine.

The Catechism says:
The Church has always venerated the divine scriptures as she venerated the Body of the Lord, in so far as she never ceases, particularly in the sacred liturgy, to partake of the bread of life and to offer it to the faithful from the one table of the Word of God and the Body of Christ.

There is no authority higher than Scripture. But I don’t encourage anyone to interpret Scripture in contradiction to the Church Magisterium.
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You are still wrong. No where does the above state Scripture is the highest authority. Underline the words where it reads: The scripture is the highest authority?
In conjunction with the Church they go hand in hand.
 
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