Assumption of Mary and Protestants?

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Nicea325 said:
You are still wrong. No where does the above state Scripture is the highest authority. Underline the words where it reads: The scripture is the highest authority?
In conjunction with the Church they go hand in hand.
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Why don’t you produce a Church document which states the Church authority is higher than Scripture? Because it’s a silly notion.
 
spedteacherita said:
I’ve been curious about the timing on this. Why was it not taught as infallible 1900 years earlier? I’ve never understood that and I guess I’ve never asked why before.

Loved the discussion!

Rita
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I don’t know. When did her Assumption begin to be contested? I doubt it was denied back that early!
 
rcwitness said:
I don’t know. When did her Assumption begin to be contested? I doubt it was denied back that early!
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I appreciate that…but is there written documentation from the Fathers that states it? Of course, I like things in print. 😃

God bless,

Rita
 
JonNC said:
Ive always understood assumption to be undefined regarding whether or not the person is alive. Perhaps I am mistaken about the distinction between Mary and Elijah.
As for the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin, Bob, I’ve never doubted it.
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Hey Jon. Gosh, I haven’t been here in awhile. Hope all is well my friend. 🙂 I used to ask myself: what if Adam and Eve had never sinned…? Certainly today’s world wouldn’t be the same as it was originally, as per scripture; no doubt, radically different, because it would be exactly the way God intended. And since God intended for Adam and Eve (and progeny) to live in a perfect world, perfectly conformed to Gods divine Will, it would have been a world of perfect peace and harmony — harmony with nature; harmony with one another, as a result of perfect harmony with God. Logically speaking, in this particular scenario of perfect harmony Adam and Eve would have been in full possession of their glorified bodies, as a result of a sin-free environment. If that would have been the case for Adam and Eve then it stands to reason that that logic would apply to Mary as well, minus the perfect harmony with nature. One distinction - being that Mary would have to wait to receive her glorified body. Just a thought…:twocents:
 
Nicea325 said:
And unfortunately many beliefs Protestants teach are not in the Bible either, yet they teach it. Case in point: faith alone.
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Hi Nicea
Hope you are well.

Depends on what one means by faith alone. Pope Benedict seems to think that it is true if it doesn’t oppose love. Luther said faith without good works (love) serves no purpose.
 
spedteacherita said:
I’ve been curious about the timing on this. Why was it not taught as infallible 1900 years earlier? I’ve never understood that and I guess I’ve never asked why before.

Loved the discussion!

Rita
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Hey spedteacherita. Well, I do not believe there was an infallible declaration regarding the Holy Eucharist, but it is an infallible doctrine nonetheless. No doubt infallible declarations are only necessary when the doctrine is being challenged and possibly in danger of being doubted by the flock and subject to alteration.
 
rcwitness said:
Why don’t you produce a Church document which states the Church authority is higher than Scripture? Because it’s a silly notion.
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Silly? If I recall you are the one claiming “written” words are the highest authority? Perhaps you should present such a document where the churches teaches: Scripture is the highest authority?
 
joe371 said:
Hey Jon. Gosh, I haven’t been here in awhile. Hope all is well my friend. 🙂 I used to ask myself: what if Adam and Eve had never sinned…? Certainly today’s world wouldn’t be the same as it was originally, as per scripture; no doubt, radically different, because it would be exactly the way God intended. And since God intended for Adam and Eve (and progeny) to live in a perfect world, perfectly conformed to Gods divine Will, it would have been a world of perfect peace and harmony — harmony with nature; harmony with one another, as a result of perfect harmony with God. Logically speaking, in this particular scenario of perfect harmony Adam and Eve would have been in full possession of their glorified bodies, as a result of a sin-free environment. If that would have been the case for Adam and Eve then it stands to reason that that logic would apply to Mary as well, minus the perfect harmony with nature. One distinction - being that Mary would have to wait to receive her glorified body. Just a thought…:twocents:
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And an interesting one at that. Good to “see” you again, Joe
 
Nicea325 said:
Silly? If I recall you are the one claiming “written” words are the highest authority? Perhaps you should present such a document where the churches teaches: Scripture is the highest authority?
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I didn’t say Scripture is the highest authority.
 
joe371 said:
Hey spedteacherita. Well, I do not believe there was an infallible declaration regarding the Holy Eucharist, but it is an infallible doctrine nonetheless. No doubt infallible declarations are only necessary when the doctrine is being challenged and possibly in danger of being doubted by the flock and subject to alteration.
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Hi, Joe,

I can read about the Eucharist in Justin Martyr’s description of the gathering of Christians and I’ve read from other Early Church Fathers as well. I haven’t seen anything from the earliest times particular to the Marian dogmas. For me, it doesn’t affect my salvation as I don’t have to necessarily believe to have salvation. Since the topic came up I was just curious.

Thanks!

Rita
 
spedteacherita said:
I read thru the link from Pope Pius X11
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Sorry, I’ve been busy. Did you find the actual document from Pius?

It’s been a long time since I read it. I seem to remember that he attested to many father’s testimonies, regarding the Assumption of Mary. Is that true? I should read it again, when I have time.
 
To rcwitness
I do celebrate Holy Communion by partaking of the bread and wine in a worthy manner as a memorial of His body and blood. Isn’t that what Jesus said we should do in Matthew 26:26?

I realize I do not live in the 1st. Century nor attend a first century Church but I don’t have to. I do adhere to Apostolic doctrine. Why would I do that? because they were the eye-witnesses both in doctrine and practice, to our Lord Jesus Christ. This should matter to all Catholics.
 
To Nicea325,

You are right there are some teachings protestants teach not really biblical. I agree. But we can certainly say the same about Roman Catholic teaching. This shouldn’t be about Protestant and Catholic. This is a huge mistake for all Christians to fall into.

It grieves the Lord our savior to pit one against another. but it is about fighting for the truth and the sources of truth.
 
To Debbie Kono,

Hello Debbie Kono, for whatever reason this “faith alone” issues comes up a lot on this site. I don’t know why. but you may want to study it from un-bias sources before saying the bible doesn’t teach in a faith-alone salvation.

To say that God needs our works to seal the deal is to say that the work of Christ on the cross was not enough to get it done. It actually is an indictment against the supremacy of Christ work to say we must add our part to help.
 
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