Assumption vs. ascension

[mangy_dog]

I know what you are trying to say. But in this particular situation (Jesus’ ascension) we are putting the Church’s teachings into the scriptures instead of the other way around. Otherwise, arent we saying that we believe in something the apostles didnt?

Anyway, who says that God the Son had to ascend Himself into Heaven. This isnt an argument about Christ’s divinity. It doesnt matter if He had the power to ascend into Heaven Himself or not.

That is precisely the point. The church (today)and the church fathers (then) are not in disagreement nor is there a “second truth”.

And yes, this does pertain to the claim by a couple of cults that Jesus is not Divine. They cite this very verse to claim that Jesus did not have the power to ascend into heaven but that the Father took Him into heaven. These are precisely the points.

By apostolic succession and Sacred Tradition we know that what the Apostles believed is exactly what is believed by the church today.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[geekborj]

What if the apostles believed that the ascension of Jesus and the assumption of Mary were by the same process (God taking them up to heaven), so to speak, but just at different times? Is that a possibility?

By the same process but Jesus is God. So Jesus did take Himself up (ascension) since He and God the Father are one. The question is not about the time but on the agent of the process.

 

[mangy_dog]

What if the apostles believed that the ascension of Jesus and the assumption of Mary were by the same process (God taking them up to heaven), so to speak, but just at different times? Is that a possibility?

If “if” and “buts” were candy and nuts, it would be Christmas all year round.

That’s why we trust the certainty of the Magisterium of the church.

While we’re at it - Imagen the “heyday” mormons and JW’s would have if ( there’s that “if” again ) both Jesus and Mary were proclaimed by the catholic church to be assumed as opposed to the distinction of Jesus’ ascension and Mary’s assumption.

From apostolic times to present…the Holy Spirit guides the catholic church in the right direction in all it’s decisions and promulgations.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.