Assurance of Salvation

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uniChristian:
Not my style??? I like to hear and read the truth.

If the Protestants chose to exclude someting from the bible I would

re-search that, but the facts were not stated correctly in your post.

The Protestants had nothing to do with excluding the books from the

bible, they are simply not canonized by the Jews.
The problem with what you are saying is that in 90 AD, the Jews no longer had authority with regard to saying what was and what wasn’t part of the Word of God. They had their opinion and that is all. By the time 90 AD rolled around the Church was the authority with regard to teaching the truth, and the Church accepted the Greek version as the full word of God because both Jesus and his apostles quite obviously taught from it and therefore all of it should be considered the infallible word of God.

The Protestants while you are correct in saying they didn’t pull the books out of the bible, they chose to use the Old Testament as the Jewish council defined it and the reason of course is because it contained teaching that was contrary to what they were trying to say particularily with regard to purgatory.

The reason the Protestants are accused of pulling books out of the bible is because at first Martin Luther actually did do that, he pulled them out of the New Testament, I believe he took the Book of James and even the Book of Revelations out but was later convinced to put them back in.

RS
 
Pendoko,

You wrote: "You need to understand that a child of God does better things than the above posts that you had posted. The “sheeps” are the “children” of God who did John 1:12. "

But that’s just your interpretation—why should I believe your interpretation any more than other Protestant interpretations? What authority do you have?

You wrote: "I mean, the real child of God is the real of God…it will remain forever until his/her death. Your friend’s ex-husband was like Judas, he copied and mannerized the Christian’s teaching and leave. Anybody can do that! Of course, anybody could proclaimed that they are the real children of God and after that they leave the God! The real child of God never do that…never…never…! "

But my friend’s ex BELIEVED he was saved. He wasn’t just “copying and mannerizing”, he walked the walk and talked the talk. He believed fervently that he was saved—he wasn’t “faking” it. So, what you’re saying is, that a person could do all the things that make him a child of God, but he could never really be sure he was—of course, until he died, and then presumably he’d find out then whether or not he had been fooling himself. Doesn’t sound reassuring to me.

You wrote, in regards to Mother Theresa: " BUT if she did not do John 1:12, then, she died and went to Hell! You may say, why?She did the great job of doing such good things??? No, she did not."

No orthodox Catholic believes that one can “earn” heaven by works alone. You obviously do not understand Catholic theology.

You wrote (again regarding Mother Theresa): “No, she did not. She forgot to register to Heaven by doing John 1:12!”

“Registration”? And if she simply “forgot” ( simply forgetting is not an intentional act), wouldn’t that mean that God was punishing her to Hell because of a faulty memory?
 
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rschermer2:
The problem with what you are saying is that in 90 AD, the Jews no longer had authority with regard to saying what was and what wasn’t part of the Word of God. They had their opinion and that is all. By the time 90 AD rolled around the Church was the authority with regard to teaching the truth, and the Church accepted the Greek version as the full word of God because both Jesus and his apostles quite obviously taught from it and therefore all of it should be considered the infallible word of God.

The Protestants while you are correct in saying they didn’t pull the books out of the bible, they chose to use the Old Testament as the Jewish council defined it and the reason of course is because it contained teaching that was contrary to what they were trying to say particularily with regard to purgatory.

The reason the Protestants are accused of pulling books out of the bible is because at first Martin Luther actually did do that, he pulled them out of the New Testament, I believe he took the Book of James and even the Book of Revelations out but was later convinced to put them back in.

RS
Martin Luther removed eleven books from his German translation of the Bible (1522-34) – seven writings and parts of Esther and Daniel from the OT and four from the NT. The OT books he removed are Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Ecclesiasticus (aka Sirach), Wisdom of Solomon, and 1 and 2 Maccabees. The NT books he removed are Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation.

Luther put all of these writings in an appendix at the back of his Bible, separated from the books he approved, and left the pages unnumbered so no one could mistake them for “Scriptures.” He also wrote a preface for the books, explaining the reasons for his rejection.

You can read Luther’s prefaces to his New Testament and to Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation here:

wls.wels.net/students/coursematerial/Reformationhistory/LutherReadingProject/Chapter%2011%20-%20New%20Testament%20Translation/Prefaces%20to%20the%20New%20Testament%20-%20LW%2035,%20357-362,%20394-399.doc

The original KJV followed Luther’s strategy and placed the 7 OT books and parts of Esther and Daniel in an appendix at the back, separated from the “Scriptures.” (Luther’s followers had already restored the books of the NT to their rightful place, but they allowed his cuts to the OT to stand.)

Later editions of the KJV omitted these writings (called apocryphal by Protestants) altogether. They are still missing from all Protestant Bibles, which contain 66 books – 27 in the NT, and 39 in the OT. The original Bible contained 27 NT and 46 OT writings. The 73 books of the Catholic Bible are identical to the writings canonized when the first Bible was formed by the Councils of Rome (382), Hippo (393), and Carthage (397, 419) and approved by Pope Innocent I in 405. Before then, there was no NT and no Bible as we know them.

The Church canonized 46 writings from the Greek Septuagint as the OT – these were the Scriptures used in the first century synagogues where Jesus and the Apostles were trained and taught, and which she inherited from them. The Catholic Church selected 27 writings from many, many separate scrolls that circulated among the local branches of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church during the early centuries of Christianity and named them the NT.

JMJ Jay
 
I am just wondering how a person can know someone didn’t “do” John 1:12 just by the fact that they are Catholic. :ehh:
 
Tiffany said:
Tiffany–‘St. Paul could not have been talking about reading the Bible because the Bible had not been written. Paul did not know that his writings and others’ writings were going to be compiled into the Bible several hundreds of years later. So you are misreading what he is saying to suit your beliefs

As you said Paul wrote this letter and he is telling us to study dividing the word of truth. I believe that the Bible is the word of truth that God has given us. The term word in this verse in Hebrew is logos meaning the divine expression, account, doctrine. The Bible is the doctrine of God and his divine expression to us through the accounts of others who where inspired by God to write it. God told Paul what to right, and to say that he didn’t know about the scripture is totally wrong. Paul wrote 2Timothy and in it he stated as I had mentioned earlier:
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” 2Tim 3:14
 
AS CATHOLICS WE KNOW THAT SCRIPTURES ARE THE WORD OF GOD, IN FACT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH PUT THE BIBLE IN CANON. DURING THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION SEVEN BOOKS WERE REMOVED FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT.SINCE WE BELIEVE SCRIPTURE WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HOLD FAST TO ORAL TRADITION AS WELL AS WRITTEN.CHRIST SAID HE WOULD BUILD HIS CHURCH UPON PETER AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.AS CATHOLICS, WE BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS TRUTH, AND TRUTH IS NOT RELATIVE, IT IS CONCRETE.IT IS INTERESTING THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT BABTIST DON’T TEACH THE SAME, COINCIDENTILY, NON-DENOMINATIONAL CHURCHES AREN’T THE SAME EITHER.NOW THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLYSPIRIT ARE TRUTH IF SCRIPTURE ALONE WILL BRING YOU TO ALL TRUTH THEN THESE DIVISIONS WOULD NOT MAKE SINCE.GOD BLESS
 
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StubbleSpark:
What is “hyper” about the “hyper-Calvinists,” I wonder. That sounds like pretty standard Calvinism to me.
Calvin didn’t believe in OSAS, he taught that a Christian could be damned by losing his faith. Calvin never denied that a Christian could commit the sin of apostasy.For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt.
Hebrews 6:4-6
 
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Matt16_18:
Calvin didnÕt believe in OSAS, he taught that a Christian could be damned by losing his faith. Calvin never denied that a Christian could commit the sin of apostasy.For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt.
Hebrews 6:4-6
I was not confusing Calvinism with OSAS. Believe me, I know the difference. My point is that the word “hyper” was redundant. I have a tendency to ramble a little though, like that time I was looking at a thing in a bag … (mumbles off). 😃
 
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StubbleSpark:
I was not confusing Calvinism with OSAS. Believe me, I know the difference. My point is that the word “hyper” was redundant.
And my point was only that Calvin didn’t believe in OSAS, so it is wrong to associate a belief in OSAS with what Calvin taught. But you make a good point, many people who do identify themselves as “Calvinists” believe in OSAS, even though Calvin never taught this false doctrine.

There are, of course, many, many, sects of “Calvinists” around, often with wildly different interpretations of what it means to be a Calvinist. Do you know of any Calvinist sect that is active today that does NOT believe in OSAS? For example, do all Presbyterians believe in OSAS?
 
I have met a former Catholic-turned-Baptist who held Calvin in high regard and he believed OSAS. But recently I have had the pleasure of meeting a confident and knowledgable person who calls himself a “Calvinist” before referring to any specific denomination. He clearly does not believe in OSAS and yet also says that we are called to have confidence in our salvation. He says those frentic Calvinists who constantly try to prove they are saved by publicly displaying their works are troubled.

I only heard whispers of Calvin growing up so that was my first real exposure to his teachings. I am unaware of any other denomination giving particular lip-service to his works.
 
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Matt16_18:
And my point was only that Calvin didn’t believe in OSAS, so it is wrong to associate a belief in OSAS with what Calvin taught.
Matt, you’ve said several times that neither Luther nor Calvin taught OSAS. If so, the principle of unintended consequences was at work.

Luther clearly formulated the doctrine of OSAS (whether he meant to or not) when he wrote: “It suffices that through God’s glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.”

Calvin taught Perseverance of the Saints – i.e., the “elect” (those predestined by God to be saved) cannot lose their salvation.

If these are not an expression of OSAS, then your understanding of OSAS and mine are different (and I was raised as an OSAS Baptist).

Tell us, please, who originated OSAS and when – and precisely how OSAS differs from the teachings of Luther and Calvin (whether they intended to teach OSAS or not).

Thanks, Jay
 
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Katholikos:
Matt, you’ve said several times that neither Luther nor Calvin taught OSAS. If so, the principle of unintended consequences was at work.
It is a fact that neither Luther nor Calvin personally believed in OSAS. But your observation is correct; the theology that Luther and Calvin taught is so full of error and contradiction that one can easily quote Luther and Calvin to support the false doctrine of OSAS. This is exactly what Johannes Agricola did with Luther’s defective “faith alone” concept of justification. Luther tried to defend his “faith alone” theology against the interpretations of Agricola, and it is Luther that gave the name “antinomianism” to the flavor of OSAS that Southern Baptists espouse. Southern Baptists have far more in common with the mindset of Johannes Agricola than they do with Martin Luther.
Tell us, please, who originated OSAS and when – and precisely how OSAS differs from the teachings of Luther and Calvin (whether they intended to teach OSAS or not).
The heresy of OSAS is far older than the Protestant Deformation. The first epistle of John was written to correct the false teachings of the “antichrists” (most likely Gnostic Docetists) that believed that sins of the flesh could not affect the “inwardly regenerated man” – a mistaken belief that is commonly found among the “Calvinists” or our era. John had to write his epistle to rebuke the Christians that were falling into the snare of the Docetist flavor of OSAS when he wrote, “No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God.” (1John 3:9).

What John is saying is that being a Christian does not give one a license to sin, i.e. he cannot sin, because sinning by Christians is not allowed by God. What John is NOT sayining is that a Christian is incapable of sinning. It is not at all uncommon for Calvinists to completely misinterpret this verse to mean the exact opposite of what John intended to say. For the Calvinists, “irresistible grace” eventually destroys the free will of the Christian and renders him incapable of sinning. Calvinist will tell you that sin only affects the “flesh nature” but does not affect the “spirit” in a man. By dividing a man into fallen flesh and regenerated spirit, the Calvinists have become modern day Gnostics with thier mistaken conception that the “regenerated spirit” of a Christian is trapped in evil matter, i.e. a man is divisible between his fleshly body that has an uncontrollable sin nature, and a holy and pure “inwardly regenerated man”. Calvinists, like Gnostics, believe that the sanctified spirit of a man is trapped inside his unholy body.

Moderate Baptists can be somewhat less Gnostic than hardline Calvinists, but no Bapist sect is entirely free from ancient Gnostic errors concerning the flesh and the spirit. To actually believe in the Southern Baptist flavor of OSAS, one would have to destroy one’s conscience, because our conscience convicts us of sin both before we are “saved” and after we are “saved”. The Southern Baptists will tell you with a straight face that a "saved” man can commit any sin conceivable and still have the assurance that he will enter Heaven - even is the “saved” man is wholly unrepentant for his sins. But unless one destroys his conscience, one knows in his heart that this simply is not true.

Paul also had to deal with the Gnostic flavor of OSAS, because he had to excommunicate the troublemakers Hymenaeus and Alexander who were teaching that a person could be a Christian and also commit sin.By rejecting conscience, certain persons have made shipwreck of their faith, among them Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

1Tim. 1:19-20I have known more than one Protestant that has made a shipwreck of their faith by believing in OSAS.
 
Protestants rarely ever invent entirely new heresies, they usually only resurrect old heresies and then combine various heresies into new packages. The Calvinists and the Baptists have resurrected the Gnostic heresies concerning the flesh and spirit, and Gnostic heresies about the impossibility of a Christian being damned; Oneness Pentecostals have resurrected the heresy of Sabellianism; Jehovah Witnesses have resurrected the heresy of Arianism, etc.

It is fruitful to study the ancient heresies, and how the Church Fathers fought those heresies. This study is not just an arcane discipline that has no practical use, because all of Protestantism is by a large a regurgitation of ancient heresies.
 
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rschermer2:
The problem with what you are saying is that in 90 AD, the Jews no longer had authority with regard to saying what was and what wasn’t part of the Word of God. They had their opinion and that is all. By the time 90 AD rolled around the Church was the authority with regard to teaching the truth, and the Church accepted the Greek version as the full word of God because both Jesus and his apostles quite obviously taught from it and therefore all of it should be considered the infallible word of God.

The Protestants while you are correct in saying they didn’t pull the books out of the bible, they chose to use the Old Testament as the Jewish council defined it and the reason of course is because it contained teaching that was contrary to what they were trying to say particularily with regard to purgatory.
The reason the Protestants are accused of pulling books out of the bible is because at first Martin Luther actually did do that, he pulled them out of the New Testament, I believe he took the Book of James and even the Book of Revelations out but was later convinced to put them back in.

RS
Thanks
 
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Matt16_18:
1Tim. 1:19-20[/INDENT]I have known more than one Protestant that has made a shipwreck of their faith by believing in OSAS.
First of all, very nice post! :clapping:

I am unfamiliar with Agricola and you make it sound like he and Martin Luther actually debated face to face. Is this true?

A word on Gnosticism: thanks to a certain trashy author, this heresy is gaining even more notoriety. But the real point I like to focus on is their idea that matter is evil. This is important because if you look at the development of the natural sciences through the lens of Catholic culture, you come to realize that if the Gnostics had won the day, there would be no sciences. How can you be free to study matter if it is intrinsically evil? Water is matter, yet for us, it can not only be good, but literally holy!

This is not really my idea, Anthony Rizzi (a famous scientist) wrote a book called The Science Before Science (available at www.authorhouse.com). This is not a very easy read, but it is EXTREMELY rewarding. By all means check it out. It explores the development of science from philosophical, historical and religious perspectives and he ties that development into the idea that science needs to be rescued from the culture of death and brought back into the culture of life.

But that would be a completely different thread! (Sorry about the digression!)

I just wanted to point out that I was an OSAS and I made such a shipwreck out of my faith, that I suffered the results for years after my conversion to Catholicism. It is by the grace of God alone that I am able to say to you today that I have seen the light on so many of my past sinful behaviors. The real shame is that I was brought up thinking that it was wrong for me to question my sins – because that was doubt in the saving power of God.

I am learning a lot from these posts! Where should I get started on the heresies? I have taken as much as I could from the Catholic Encyclopedia online 🙂
 
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StubbleSpark:
I am unfamiliar with Agricola and you make it sound like he and Martin Luther actually debated face to face. Is this true?
Antinomianism

By Jared Oldenburg, Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary

**History of Antinomianism **

Antinomianism is hardly a new idea. The false prophets of Jeremiah’s day preached peace when there was not peace (Jeremiah 23:16-17). Speed forward to the days of Paul in Corinth. In 1 Corinthians 6:12, the Apostle seems to quote a slogan of the Corinthian congregation “everything is permissible for me” that declares a freedom from any Law.

The “Antinomian Controversy” we usually think about directly affected Martin Luther during the time of the Reformation. Not only did Luther have to deal with the heresy, but at the center of the trouble was his close friend Johann Agricola (1492 [1496?] to 1566).

The two came to know each other in 1516 when Agricola came to Wittenberg as a student of Luther. In 1536, Agricola was given a professorship at Wittenberg University.

Already in 1537 the antinomian controversy was in full force. Basically Agricola taught that the “True knowledge of sin as genuine contrition is produced, not by the Law, but by the Gospel only, and that hence there is in the Church no use whatever for the Law of God.”[1] In other words, there is no use for the Law in sanctification or conversion—the Christian only needs to hear that Jesus died for him, and that his sins are taken away by God’s mercy. Although Agricola’s aversion was directed at the second use of the Law, his ideas forced Luther and others to clarify the role of the Law for all Christians.

Agricola was publicly and privately opposed and several disputations were held to clarify his positions. At times he recanted, at others he became argumentative. Finally in 1540, the Elector planned to take Agricola to formal trial, but he escaped and took a preaching position in Berlin.
 
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StubbleSpark:
I just wanted to point out that I was an OSAS and I made such a shipwreck out of my faith, that I suffered the results for years after my conversion to Catholicism. It is by the grace of God alone that I am able to say to you today that I have seen the light on so many of my past sinful behaviors. The real shame is that I was brought up thinking that it was wrong for me to question my sins – because that was doubt in the saving power of God.
Thanks for sharing that. I know that OSAS is a destructive heresy, but I have never heard that spin put on the Gospel. Belief in OSAS prevented you from confessing your sin - that shows how diabolical this false doctrine really is! How in the world did your Protestant denomination dismiss these scriptures?
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1John 1:8-9
I am learning a lot from these posts! Where should I get started on the heresies?
I highly recommend this book:

Dissent from the Creed: Heresies Past and Present

by Fr. Richard M. Hogan
Our Sunday Visitor, Inc.,
($15.95; 336pp. 2001) Review by James Likoudis

In this handy volume, Fr. Richard M. Hogan gives a popular and easy-to-read account of the major heresies which have beset the Catholic Church across the centuries. Relying on the specialized works of church historians, he accomplishes on the whole his task to bring “the stories of all the prominent heresies together in one place in English.” The average reader will certainly benefit from the author’s analysis of ancient heresies, some of which key errors can be seen to have been revived in our own day, as for example, the denial of Christ’s divinity and the infallibility of Christ’s Church built on the Rock of Peter.

It is fascinating to read how the architects of weird Gnostic sects, and the leaders of such heretical movements as Arianism, Manicheanism, Donatism, Nestorianism, Protestantism, Jansenism, Quietism, Modernism, and the dissenters of today, have all pretended to understand the teachings of Divine Revelation better than the Teaching Authority of the Church to which has been confided the safeguarding of the “deposit of faith”. It is also astonishing to see how the texts of Holy Scripture can be so tragically misunderstood by the relentless intellectual probing of heresiarchs.
 
How did we get around these verses? Easy, we did not read them! There are entire sections of the Bible that I never knew existed as I grew up Baptist and I am not talking about the books that were removed from the Protestant canon. For example, we NEVER talked about the bronze serpent in the OT.

In a recent educational survey, the attitudes of US students’ towards their math ability were compared to those of other countries. Perhaps not surprisingly, the US students’ confidence ranked higher than those of Asia and Europe. But when they looked at actual aptitude level of those countries, Americans were in fact the least mathematically capable!

OSAS breeds an entire Christian culture that lives in this sort blind spot produced by their pride. So certain are they in their interpretation, they can not even bare to discuss the possibility that maybe Jesus meant something else when He exhorted people to “obey the commandments” if they want to get to Heaven.

But that blind spot covers more than justification. Evangelicals are so confident and proud of being a “Bible-believing” faith, that they never question the idea of their preacher “worshipping” by giving lectures (sermons) on HIS views based on HIS proof-texting the Scriptures. As Catholics, we can understand that there is nothing wrong in that practice in and of itself, but we are left in the awkward position of explaining to these people that there is so much MORE to it than that.

When you strike a Bible, it makes a sound. You can feel it smart against your skin. It has weight. It has color. The Bible exists in a way that is hard to deny. It announces its own presence through its accidents. But the accidents of an angel or a saint in Heaven are harder to detect. You cannot feel, smell, or hear one (baring the occasional miracle). The same is true of God – unless you take the created universe as the accident that points to His existence. The Bible can also be taken as an outward sign that He exists.

And this is just about as far as OSAS beliefs can go. Discussion of the supernatural is discouraged. Miracles that do not occur in the Bible are generally not spoken of. The occasional missionary story is the exception but even then they differ in scope and grandeur from many of your more well-known Catholic miracles (like the spinning sun at Fatima). The evangelical faith is based more on the simple senses like touch than it is on the higher faculties of logic and faith.

So think how hard it would be for an evangelical to understand that in the Eucharist, the accidents of the bread and wine remain but in totality of being it is God Himself? You could point out that Jesus’ physiology did not betray His divine nature but I have never gotten that far in the conversation. They are usually laughing me out of the room by this point.

As for the Scriptures that challenge OSAS belief, the key is to add liberal amounts of sentimentality to water down their true power. The following is from the introduction to 1John in my old NIV Student Bible:

“How to Read John: … As you read John, note the pattern. He defines a word, such as light, discusses its opposite, darkness, and then describes what a life in the light would be like. In every case, he shows God as the source of power in the Christian life.”

Again, no argument there from the Catholic side. But think how wonderful it would be if it challenged readers to understand Gnosticism and examine their own beliefs against it. There is a small article on Gnosticism in my version but the study question asks: “How can we counter those same trends (super-spirituality and loose morals) among Christians today?” The blind spot is obvious: there is no plank in my eye! 😉
 
There are entire sections of the Bible that I never knew existed as I grew up Baptist and I am not talking about the books that were removed from the Protestant canon.
:amen: Shout it out!

Growing up Southern Baptist, I learned the sections of the Bible that “proved” my denomination’s doctrines. No more. No less. And that’s all that was covered in Sunday School or preached from the pulpit. I got the impression that John 3:16 was the only verse in the Gospel of John. I had never read Chapter 6 (on the Eucharist). I never heard a sermon preached on it. I thought I knew the Bible, but I had never really read it or discussed it until I became a Catholic.

JMJ Jay
 
Katholikos said:
:amen: Shout it out!

Growing up Southern Baptist, I learned the sections of the Bible that “proved” my denomination’s doctrines. No more. No less. And that’s all that was covered in Sunday School or preached from the pulpit. I got the impression that John 3:16 was the only verse in the Gospel of John. I had never read Chapter 6 (on the Eucharist). I never heard a sermon preached on it. I thought I knew the Bible, but I had never really read it or discussed it until I became a Catholic.

JMJ Jay

That is so interesting! Just the other day on another thread, one of the evangelicals said we do not need the whole Bible just John 3:16! She went on to say that we were lucky to have more, but that in whole we make the whole thing too complicated with all that thinking.

It is tantamount to what happened to Buddhism with the introduction of the Mahayana (Greater Vehicle) sect. In order to obtain enlightenment, you only need invoke the name of the Amitaba Buddha once in your entire life!

What should we call this inevitable scaling down of belief? I have heard of Bibolatry (sp?) Is there a term for less than that? Perhaps “Reductolatry”? It keeps getting smaller and smaller, like the ghosts in CS Lewis’ The Great Divorce. I suppose that might be the psychological impetus for those mega-churches cropping up all over the place – they give the illusion of “fullness.”

Another thing you do not hear in Baptist churches is talk about the old sacrifice of absolution given by temple PRIESTS. It is clear from Scripture that these rituals are not merely symbolic, like our old sacraments have become in evangelical churches. Jesus’ family believed in the rituals – why then are they totally discontinued as if they were never necessary?

Muslims, Mormons, and evangelicals all fail to take into account the true nature, or the “physics of salvation,” at play during the crucifixion. Their ideas range from the plain ignorant to the just plain anti-Semitic – which is a real shame.

Also interesting is Martin Luther’s total failure to reign in his own flock and maintain unity in the face of his first big heresy.
 
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