Assyrians Elect To Enter Into Full Communion W/ Catholic Church

[Chaldean_Rite]

On Thursday; January 17, 2008, Mar Bawai Soro, four priests and sixteen deacons put out a “Declaration of Intention” “to enter full communion with the Catholic Church” and “to resume church unity with the Chaldean Catholic Church.”

Let us pray for God’s will to be accomplished.

kaldu.org/2008/01/News_Jan27_08_E1.html

 

[Rbt_Southwell]

Amen and God bless our Iraqi brothers and sisters in Christ.

Robert

 

[Diak]

Prayers for Mar Bawai, his clergy and faithful.

 

[Harpazo]

On Thursday; January 17, 2008, Mar Bawai Soro, four priests and sixteen deacons put out a “Declaration of Intention” “to enter full communion with the Catholic Church” and “to resume church unity with the Chaldean Catholic Church.”

Let us pray for God’s will to be accomplished.

kaldu.org/2008/01/News_Jan27_08_E1.html

How beautiful! Our prayers for Unity are beginning to be answered! Praise be to Jesus Christ always!

Pace e Bene
Andrew

 

[East_and_West]

How beautiful! Our prayers for Unity are beginning to be answered! Praise be to Jesus Christ always!

Pace e Bene
Andrew

Is this group breaking away from its mother Church to enter into communion with Rome?

 

[jimmy]

On Thursday; January 17, 2008, Mar Bawai Soro, four priests and sixteen deacons put out a “Declaration of Intention” “to enter full communion with the Catholic Church” and “to resume church unity with the Chaldean Catholic Church.”

Let us pray for God’s will to be accomplished.

kaldu.org/2008/01/News_Jan27_08_E1.html

Is this from the Church of the East or from the Ancient Church of the East? Are they connected to the patriarch in Chicago or the one in Iraq?

 

[Woodstock]

Is this from the Church of the East or from the Ancient Church of the East? Are they connected to the patriarch in Chicago or the one in Iraq?

Based on this thread, I’d say Ancient Church of the East.
themesopotamian.org/cgi-bin/forum/main.pl?noframes;read=18484

I brought up the difference between Chaldean and Assyrian in a thread here probably about a year ago and was corrected that the two are the same. I looked at two pages before responding here, one on the Chaldean Catholic patriarch and the one I linked by the Assyrians and both of them say it is a controversial issue but they do not believe Chaldeans and Assyrians to be the same. I know nothing more than what I’ve typed here. Will someone please explain the Chaldean vs. Assyrian difference and why it is controversial?

 

[vinessa]

The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East has a website: cired.org/

See also themesopotamian.org/links.html for a load of links on the situation with Christian Assyrians and Chaldeans in Iraq or as refugees today.

 

[vinessa]

Here, this is more useful:

JOINT SYNODAL DECREE FOR PROMOTING UNITY
Between the Assyrian Church of the East
and the Chaldean Catholic Church

here: cired.org/chalde/joint.html

Hope that helps!

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Assyrians Elect To Enter Into Full Commnunion W/ Catholic Church

Press Release

Assyrian Catholic Apostolic Diocese (ACAD)

On Thursday; January 17, 2008, the “Day of Thanksgiving” of the Rogation of the Ninevites, for which day the Gospel says, “On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you” (John 16:23), the Clergy Conference of the Assyrian Catholic Apostolic Diocese (ACAD) met in Dublin, California, to discuss the current situation and consider future plans for reestablishing communion with other Christians, in order to end their ecclesial isolation.

After praying to the Father and reflecting on the Scriptures and Tradition, the attendees unanimously adopted a “Declaration of Intention” in which they state their resolution “to enter full communion with the Catholic Church” and “to resume church unity with the Chaldean Catholic Church.” As a result, they foresee that this declaration will initiate a process of negotiation with respective Church authorities to define a concrete model of this union, in which the particularity of our apostolic tradition is preserved.

Present at this Clergy Conference were H.G. Bishop Mar Bawai Soro, four priests and sixteen deacons. Two more priests and fourteen other deacons of ACAD have also sent in advance their signed proxies in support of this Declaration. The gathered members ask all their brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for this noble intention so that each and every effort will contribute to the glory of God and the fulfillment of Christ’s prayer for His Holy Church “That they all may be one”. (John 17:21)

See also: marbawai.com/

This is interesting.

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

On Thursday; January 17, 2008, Mar Bawai Soro, four priests and sixteen deacons put out a “Declaration of Intention” “to enter full communion with the Catholic Church” and “to resume church unity with the Chaldean Catholic Church.”

Let us pray for God’s will to be accomplished.

kaldu.org/2008/01/News_Jan27_08_E1.html

Isn’t this the group that has a liturgy with no words of consecration?

 

[Chellow]

Praise God.:bowdown: :bowdown:
Let’s all keep praying for Church unity, so they all will know who sent us.

 

[Fuerza]

Isn’t this the group that has a liturgy with no words of consecration?

While there are no explicit words of consecration, they are there implicitly. Due to this fact, the Catholic Church does consider their consecrations to be valid. I’m not sure if the Chaldean Church
added an explicit consecration when they came into union with Rome, though I have heard that their anaphora does contains one. Perhaps one of the Chaldeans on this site can answer.

On a side note, does anyone feel that this request might strain the friendly relationship that Rome has had with the Assyrian Church recently? It kind of puts the RC in a bad position. Either deny the request and appear to be unwelcoming (as well as seeming to condone religious indifferentism), or accept the request and risk destroying years of healthy dialogue with the Assyrians.

 

[Chellow]

Isn’t this the group that has a liturgy with no words of consecration?

This is what I go from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Church_of_the_East

The most common eucharistic liturgy of the Church of the East is the Liturgy of Addai and Mari. This rite is well known to liturgical scholars because it lacks the Words of Institution used by Jesus at the Last Supper (“This is my body”…“This is [the cup of] my blood”). For that reason many (especially Roman Catholics) considered this liturgy as invalid. However, in 2001, after a study of this issue, the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (Cardinal Ratzinger, now Benedict XVI, then being prefect) declared that this was a valid liturgy and that Roman Catholics in Iraq could receive the Eucharist in an Assyrian Church if unable to attend their own churches. This declaration was approved by Pope John Paul II.

 

[Hesychios]

Is this group breaking away from its mother Church to enter into communion with Rome?

Mar Bawai Soro, former bishop of Western California, has been out of communion with his parent church, headed by Mar Dinkha for some time now (but I don’t know if it has been a year). So this group is flying solo.

I remember something about Mar Dinkha reassigning Mar Bawai Soro to Iran as a discipline, and he refused to go.

The separation occured long enough ago for the court case to reach a conclusion in the State of California, and all of the real property has been turned over to the Church of the East which continues to hold Masses, apparently. The Chaldean Catholic church could see an influx of new members in the USA. I don’t know if this disaffected group numbers in the thousands.

One wonders what they will think of the newly refurbished Chaldean Qurbono.

Perhaps some of the Chaldean posters here can give us updates on how it is going from time to time.

Michael

 

[AnthonyJ]

I thought the new Chaldean Qurbono was more in line with the East Syriac tradition? I am not Chaldean, so I could be completely wrong.

In Christ,
Anthony

One wonders what they will think of the newly refurbished Chaldean Qurbono.

Perhaps some of the Chaldean posters here can give us updates on how it is going from time to time.

Michael

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Apologies for the double post, pleased to see two threads have been merged. I don’t know how I missed that when scanning the active topics…

I do believe in fact that this group has been ex-communicated from the ACoE. This provides no happiness or joy to me. To be clear, I am happier to see them in union, of course, but happier still to not see the Assyrians be further divided by the creation of a fourth or fifth jurisdiction.

 

[Hesychios]

I thought the new Chaldean Qurbono was more in line with the East Syriac tradition? I am not Chaldean, so I could be completely wrong.

In Christ,
Anthony

Apparently it is.

I don’t know how close. I will be interested to see how well they adjust.

However, this could be the death knell for union talks with the Church of the East. Mar Dinkha will probably not be very open to further dialogue now.

 

[Woodstock]

What I saw from the Assyrians who are seeking communion is that they want to maintain the Assyrian traditions within the larger Chaldean context. If I remember correctly, all current Catholic Chaldeans have explicit words of consecration. I wonder if that is one of the traditions they are seeking to keep. What other traditions do the Assyrians have that distinguishes them from the Chaldeans?

 

[Chellow]

Apparently it is.
This could be the death knell for union talks with the Church of the East. Mar Dinkha will probably not be very open to further dialogue now.

Can you give some links or explain please.