At my wits end with a lying husband

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I think you should divorce him and go find yourself someone you can trust completely.
I agree, if he lies about smoking then god only knows what else he might be lying about. He might be sneaking more cake and ice cream than he should, secretly eating at mcdonald’s, or be stuffing fried twinkies in his face when no one is looking. If you can’t trust him to keep you posted about everything unhealthy he consumes, what can you trust him with?
 
I think you should divorce him and go find yourself someone you can trust completely.
I agree, if he lies about smoking then god only knows what else he might be lying about. He might be sneaking more cake and ice cream than he should, secretly eating at mcdonald’s, or be stuffing fried twinkies in his face when no one is looking. If you can’t trust him to keep you posted about everything unhealthy he consumes, what can you trust him with?
thanks for your immensely helpful and mature responses.
 
*lol, to my point, how people don’t see that chronic smoking/addiction is a major health issue, and problem and liken it to eating an occasional twinkie. :rolleyes:

You know my thoughts, savedbyHim…sorry you’re getting sarcastic comments like that here. 😦 *
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t the reason the OP posted in the first place was the fact that her husband was lying to her, not about the actual fact of him smoking or not?

I do not think anyone is minimizing the dangers of smoking, nor was anyone making light of it. I and others were trying to address the fact that she was so concerned with her husband lying to her. which she continually stressed. That is what seemed to be the issue here, the two posts were not sarcastic they were just a humoruos take on what was happening.
 
people eat themselves to an early grave all the time. If an obese person decides to start eating healthy food it is unreasonable to expect that they give a blow by blow of everything they put in their bodies. They are adults and what they eat is their business.

for example, I have been really trying hard to get my wife to start eating healthy. If I wanted a daily report from my wife to make sure she has been following her diet like she promised people would say I was controlling and should back off. I also wouldn’t be surprised if she told me the diet is going great just so that I stop nagging.

If he is trying to stop you have got to expect a couple of relapses. Nobody pulls themselves out of a bog with a single step.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t the reason the OP posted in the first place was the fact that her husband was lying to her, not about the actual fact of him smoking or not?

I do not think anyone is minimizing the dangers of smoking, nor was anyone making light of it. I and others were trying to address the fact that she was so concerned with her husband lying to her. which she continually stressed. That is what seemed to be the issue here, the two posts were not sarcastic they were just a humoruos take on what was happening.
what’s funny about it, though? I have a sense of humor, but I just don’t see the humor in a husband who is struggling to quit a destructive habit as smoking and is lying to not have to deal with his wife’s opinions on it. Would we laugh if this was a porn addiction he was lying about? Drugs? Alcohol addiction? Would we liken an occasional glance at porn, to eating a twinkie? Why do we mitigate smoking? Not you, Nordar, just in general…people tend to view it as “less than” other addictions.*
 
I wasn’t making a joke, or being humorous or sarcastic.

I’m sorry you took it that way.

I don’t think you’re being completely honest with us or yourself here. Reading your posts, it seems like you’re questioning him for the express purpose of “catching him in a lie”. You say that he announces that he’s quitting, tells you about it, and after some period of time you “suspect” he’s smoking again. I submit that you don’t “suspect” he’s smoking, you “know” he’s smoking, by the smell, or finding ashes, or a cigarette package etc. Then you “ask” him (knowing full well that he’s smoking) if he’s smoking, and see if he will lie to you about it.
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  Further evidence, for me, is that even if he doesn’t deny it, you characterize his failure to pro-actively confess each slip-up or lapse in tobacco use as a “lie of omission”. In short it seems like this guy can’t get a break.
That’s why I suggested that you divorce him (and get a annulment) and find someone “perfect”, whom you trust completely, who will never, ever, lie to you by commission or omission.

I honestly feel you’d both be happier.
 
I guess I’m not getting anywhere on this thread because everyone is focusing on the smoking issue and that’s not my issue. I am having a hard time with the fact that I feel like I have lost my trust in him.

I’m sorry if my posts are not reflecting that. 🤷
I can only speak from my personal experience with my dad. My dad was a religious man -both of my parents were very active & involved in their church. In addition to God, he loved my mom and our family very much. However, over the years he would try to quit smoking only to start up again usually behind my mother’s back. I remember times as a child, he would tell us not to tell mom he was smoking again. Is that lying, in my opinion I believe so. Do I condemn my dad for lying in this manner? No, as I realize smoking is an addiction which is very hard to break. He wasn’t lying with the intent to hurt my mother. He was lying because smoking was simply an addiction he couldn’t break at that time. So although, you want to separate the smoking from they lying, it may not be possible to do so.

Just my two cents.
 
I wasn’t making a joke, or being humorous or sarcastic.

I’m sorry you took it that way.

I don’t think you’re being completely honest with us or yourself here. Reading your posts, it seems like you’re questioning him for the express purpose of “catching him in a lie”. You say that he announces that he’s quitting, tells you about it, and after some period of time you “suspect” he’s smoking again. I submit that you don’t “suspect” he’s smoking, you “know” he’s smoking, by the smell, or finding ashes, or a cigarette package etc. Then you “ask” him (knowing full well that he’s smoking) if he’s smoking, and see if he will lie to you about it.
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  Further evidence, for me, is that even if he doesn’t deny it, you characterize his failure to pro-actively confess each slip-up or lapse in tobacco use as a “lie of omission”. In short it seems like this guy can’t get a break.
That’s why I suggested that you divorce him (and get a annulment) and find someone “perfect”, whom you trust completely, who will never, ever, lie to you by commission or omission.

I honestly feel you’d both be happier.
wow.

i’m sorry if i’m not coming across as honest with you or with myself. with all due respect, you are wrong – i don’t KNOW if he has started back up again or not, hence the reason i ask. i simply suspect that he is because he begins to need to “run to the store” frequently and he begins to act different around me. so i have no “concrete” proof, just a suspicion, and i simply want him to be honest with me so we can tackle it together. i’m not sure why that’s so hard for some of you to understand?? 🤷 i have no malicious intent.

you ARE correct in stating that i feel that a lie is a lie, whether you deliberately lie or just fail to disclose it. if your spouse was supposed to abstain from high cholesterol foods because she was dealing with a blood pressure problem, and she was sneaking these foods, would you not consider that a “lie”? yes, it’s not the same as if she would say outright “i’m not eating eggs!”, but it’s still not being truthful, no?

i am not even going to address the fact that you think i need to find someone who is “perfect” in order for me to be happy. that comment is just not worth commenting on.

i’m really shocked that i am getting so much flack for wanting my husband to be truthful with me… on a Catholic forum where we believe lying is a sin! :whacky:
 
He wasn’t lying with the intent to hurt my mother. He was lying because smoking was simply an addiction he couldn’t break at that time. So although, you want to separate the smoking from they lying, it may not be possible to do so.
that is very insightful, thank you. i think someone else mentioned that it’s not HIM lying, it’s the addiction and i think there is some “truth” to that. (ha ha ha, pardon the pun! :p)
 
Well when he decided to quit I asked if he wanted to use any of the smoking cessation aids like patches, gum etc. He decided on patches so I bought them which he used briefly but then stopped because they broke him out in a rash. I didn’t say anything about him not using them. He decided to use sucking on hard candy as a replacement when he had the urge to smoke. In the beginning he was nearly always sucking on them -and I made sure he had a supply of Jolly Ranchers which was his favorite. We had small celebrations with each mile stone a week, a month, two months etc of being smoke free. At the one year mark my mom made his favorite dish that she makes especially for him in celebration. Other friends and family also congratulated him along the way. Also about half the amount of money that would have normally gone for cigarettes went to my hubby’s own private stash to buy what ever “toys” he wanted -although there were times I had borrow from his fund.😉

Now when my hubby decided to quit he decided several months in advance. He slowly cut down his smoking until he got down to the minimum he could smoke which was 5 a day, then he set a date New Years Eve which was still a few months away. So for about three months he only smoked 5 a day. Then on midnight on New Years Eve my daughter, who was 8 at the time I believe, did a happy dance on what was left of his last pack of cigarettes.

He also changed his routine – for example he stopped drinking coffee for quite a while because coffee went with cigarettes in his mind. My husband is also a recovered alcoholic, more than a decade now -so he used some of what he learned in AA an applied it to quitting smoking. Each morning he would say today I will not have a cigarette – the one day at a time thing. My husband says he still has the urge to smoke about a half a dozen times throughout the day even after all this time.

I think you should sit down with your hubby and ask him what is most helpful and what is not helpful. Ask him what would he like you to do if sense he may have slipped. They have free support groups for those in the process of quitting this may or may not be something he is interested in. Instead of guessing what kind of encouragement would be helpful why not just ask him? 🙂
 
Well when he decided to quit I asked if he wanted to use any of the smoking cessation aids like patches, gum etc. He decided on patches so I bought them which he used briefly but then stopped because they broke him out in a rash. I didn’t say anything about him not using them. He decided to use sucking on hard candy as a replacement when he had the urge to smoke. In the beginning he was nearly always sucking on them -and I made sure he had a supply of Jolly Ranchers which was his favorite. We had small celebrations with each mile stone a week, a month, two months etc of being smoke free. At the one year mark my mom made his favorite dish that she makes especially for him in celebration. Other friends and family also congratulated him along the way. Also about half the amount of money that would have normally gone for cigarettes went to my hubby’s own private stash to buy what ever “toys” he wanted -although there were times I had borrow from his fund.😉

Now when my hubby decided to quit he decided several months in advance. He slowly cut down his smoking until he got down to the minimum he could smoke which was 5 a day, then he set a date New Years Eve which was still a few months away. So for about three months he only smoked 5 a day. Then on midnight on New Years Eve my daughter, who was 8 at the time I believe, did a happy dance on what was left of his last pack of cigarettes.

He also changed his routine – for example he stopped drinking coffee for quite a while because coffee went with cigarettes in his mind. My husband is also a recovered alcoholic, more than a decade now -so he used some of what he learned in AA an applied it to quitting smoking. Each morning he would say today I will not have a cigarette – the one day at a time thing. My husband says he still has the urge to smoke about a half a dozen times throughout the day even after all this time.

I think you should sit down with your hubby and ask him what is most helpful and what is not helpful. Ask him what would he like you to do if sense he may have slipped. They have free support groups for those in the process of quitting this may or may not be something he is interested in. Instead of guessing what kind of encouragement would be helpful why not just ask him? 🙂
your whole post is excellent advice Rayne. and regarding the part in bold, we did have a talk last night and i did ask him what would be helpful, but he told me he honestly didn’t know. i think i will have him read your post and see if any of your advice sounds helpful to him. 🙂
 
your whole post is excellent advice Rayne. and regarding the part in bold, we did have a talk last night and i did ask him what would be helpful, but he told me he honestly didn’t know. i think i will have him read your post and see if any of your advice sounds helpful to him. 🙂
Well if he doesn’t know what he wants you to do he may still know what he definitely doesn’t want you to do. 😉 Many times my husband can’t tell what he wants but he can usually tell me what he doesn’t want…lol. Good luck to you both.
 
rayne gives you some great, practical advice, savedbyhim…hope things get better. 🙂
 
I see what you are saying, and I just want to clarify so I am not misrepresenting the situation.

I don’t constantly ask him about it… I don’t “bug him” about smoking or chewing. He quits on his own accord, tells me he has done so, and I say “Great!” I only ask if he’s doing it when I “suspect” that he’s doing it again… then of course he says no, but I then find out otherwise.

So you think I should just not ask any more? But then, isn’t he lying by not telling me?
Or are you saying that I should just not let the subject as a whole be an issue. Just let him do what he’s going to do and that’s that?
Instead of asking him when you suspect him of starting up again why don’t you just state the obvious - “I see you’ve started again.” Don’t give him a chance to lie. Then ask if there’s anything you can do for him to help him. Questioning, even once a month or once a year, can seem like nagging to some men. Just let it go and pray for him and for you, especially your own frustration with the situation.
 
you have to understand the monkey on his back.

I have quit smoking a couple of times but…
 
Hes just afraid of you thats all. Dont be so hard on him. If you tell him you wont be dissapointed then maybe he wont lie. I mean yes it is hard to quite a tabacco habit. I have brothers who have tried but start up again months later esp when they are under stress. When he falls of the bandwagon, tell him its ok and help him back on. NO scolding, hes not a child. He knows its bad for him, he just cant do it when hes afraid that you will be upset and dissappointed. Men have big egos, they dont like to dissappoint esp the ones they love.
 
I’d tell him that you will make a point not to “notice” but it is very important that he not lie about it, if by chance it comes up. Tell him it is much more upsetting to you that he lied, and it makes you wonder if he would lie about other things.

It’s a form of pride on his part, it might or might not be helpful to point that out.

Beyond that, I’d ignore the whole thing - you can’t do much.
 
Dear Saved,

Having been through the lies an addicted person tells…I understand your feelings! It hurts when your most dear one is lying to your face! Prayers out to you for strength!

For some others:

For those who forget: There is an Eighth Commandment that deals with lying. Obviously God thought lying was detrimental to us. Lying erodes trust between persons. It is no small thing when a spouse practices lying. Lying can become a bad habit!

Smoking is obviously harmful to one’s health. Saved wants to her husband alive…not so difficult to understand! I do not want to be widowed, either. Yes, we all die of something but we should show respect for our bodies that are “temples of the Holy Spirit”.

Addiction is a typification of a “false god”…for example: Saved’s husband values his “right” to smoke more than his wife’s trust. That is a huge problem! (Yeah, I know…but that is the bare bones issue. I realize smokers don’t like it put that way. When you lie about it, loss of trust is the repercussion and you are, indeed, causing a trust issue.)

Some think that Saved shouldn’t ask her husband because that is CAUSING him to lie. Personal responsibility is still required even though one’s head my be befuddled by nicotine. We may not blame others for our own weaknesses and sin.

No one likes to be told they are doing something wrong. Smokers hate it just as much as the other addicts and they react just as strongly. If we all go around tip-toeing around the addicts, putting up with the loss of trust, family funds, & wasted moments (while they are outside smoking, getting high or on the computer looking at porn) we will never see them heal and become right-minded and free of the bonds of addiction. Who better to instruct the ignorant and admonish the sinner than one’s own spouse? Who else will care enough to do it? Who else will realize the extent of the problem?

DISCLAIMER TO SAVE ADDICTS SOME TIME:Yes, I realize how “judgmental” I appear to you. Addicts have impaired judgment…yes, I do commit sins myself…no, I don’t care whether or not what I typed angers the addicts. EVERYTHING you say is to protect your addiction and it hurts those around you whether you admit it or not. You are in denial.

Shelby
 
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