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Question- I get the sense that our parish priest wants everyone to pay via envelope at the offertory. I have an automated electronic payment get sent from my bank acct to the church’s. Inevermiss a payment- and it saves on paper and processing.

Does anyone see a problem with this? Has anyone run into a problem with this?

We have our kids each throw in a dollar to the basket-but we don’t use the envelope. Sometimes we may even forget to bring the spare dollars for the kids.
 
Question- I get the sense that our parish priest wants everyone to pay via envelope at the offertory. I have an automated electronic payment get sent from my bank acct to the church’s. Inevermiss a payment- and it saves on paper and processing.

Does anyone see a problem with this? Has anyone run into a problem with this?

We have our kids each throw in a dollar to the basket-but we don’t use the envelope. Sometimes we may even forget to bring the spare dollars for the kids.
I actually think that you’ll see more and more people doing this. You’re supporting your parish - it matters not at all what method you use.
 
Question- I get the sense that our parish priest wants everyone to pay via envelope at the offertory. I have an automated electronic payment get sent from my bank acct to the church’s. Inevermiss a payment- and it saves on paper and processing.

Does anyone see a problem with this? Has anyone run into a problem with this?

We have our kids each throw in a dollar to the basket-but we don’t use the envelope. Sometimes we may even forget to bring the spare dollars for the kids.
Maybe the priests wants to see something tangible in the collection plate? I know that I donate by direct debit.
 
Most parishes assign you a parishioner number that is printed on your envelopes. That is your “account number” used to track donations for the year. As long as you ensure this number is written somewhere on the checks you send, I don’t see any problem with this.

They may want to track which Mass people attend, and an envelope coming in the mail won’t tell them anything about your attendance habits. It is pastorally important that people are physically attending Mass, and sending money in the mail may send the message “we want to support you, but we don’t want to set foot in your church.” Which of course is not true! Maybe since your kids already donate, you can teach one of them to use an envelope with your number. That way you will show your family’s attendance and still be able to use your bank’s online bill-pay.
 
Our parish offers this as a donation option. Not only do I not have to go crazy trying to find the envelope before Mass, it saves the parish the time and expense of hand counting, the possibility of losing a check and automates the end of year charitable receipt.
 
Our parish offers this as a donation option. Not only do I not have to go crazy trying to find the envelope before Mass, it saves the parish the time and expense of hand counting, the possibility of losing a check and automates the end of year charitable receipt.
Our parish has it set up so you can give your tithe and to other accounts such as the building fund, alms and missions fund at the same time. It is incredibly convenient. 👍
 
I think it’s better if they try to get everyone to donate online in order to save paper. I know it might be weird to not see anything tangible in the collection basket, but they are still getting money, even if a family does end up missing Mass for whatever reason.
 
I pay via Parish Pay, an online service that our parish uses. It is convenient and you are able to pick other donation dates too! The web address is listed in the bulletin every week.🙂
 
I actually think that you’ll see more and more people doing this. You’re supporting your parish - it matters not at all what method you use.
I beg to differ. There is the act of good example that’s involved here. People growing up don’t see your debit or checking accounts and how much you’re donating if at all. Many people don’t think of contributing unless they see others do it.
 
I think that is a great idea. I wish my church offered that as an option. On my envelopes I don’t see any numbers, do churches keep track of each individual parishioners contributions?
 
do churches keep track of each individual parishioners contributions?
I think by law they’re only required to track over a certain amount of direct cash, as many donate small amounts of cash (raffle tickets, etc.) and lots of non-money items, such as food, coupons, gift cards, and even stocks and rare coins. I think it’s $250 from a given individual, but I don’t know the current limit.
 
I think that is a great idea. I wish my church offered that as an option. On my envelopes I don’t see any numbers, do churches keep track of each individual parishioners contributions?
The Church is not required to track any individual donation. You can stuff $100’s into a plain envelope and drop it into the collection basket to your hearts content.

The Church does track individual donations as a courtesy so they can send you a receipt at the end of the year you can use when filing your taxes.

And yes, there are those parishes that want to track your contributions so they can “speak to you” about the amount you are donating or as a method of ensuring you are an “active parishoner”. Quick story - at a former parish (pretty large) our Pastor implored us to use and return the envelopes even if they had no $$$ in them. His reasoning: He would get sponsor and godparent requests from other Churches, and without the envelopes as a way to “track” who was going to Mass he in good conscience could not tell who was an active parishoner and who was not.
 
Question- I get the sense that our parish priest wants everyone to pay via envelope at the offertory. I have an automated electronic payment get sent from my bank acct to the church’s. Inevermiss a payment- and it saves on paper and processing.

Does anyone see a problem with this? Has anyone run into a problem with this?

We have our kids each throw in a dollar to the basket-but we don’t use the envelope. Sometimes we may even forget to bring the spare dollars for the kids.
You may want to find some way of asking the parish staff ‘why’ they “want everyone” to do this. On the surface, it seems obvious that as long as the parish is receiving the donation, it shouldn’t matter how it arrives, but that’s not necessarily true. Some parish accounting systems are more up-to-date than others. Some are downright antiquiated. Many people would be surprised to know in this day and age just how many parishes are still doing all of their bookkeeping on paper.

There might be some reason for why they don’t want it this way. The only way you will know is if you ask them. It could be that they just don’t know how to work electronic donations into their current system, and it’s just a matter of someone showing them how to do it. In my own personal experience, parishes are reluctant to use e-donations simply because they don’t know how to work it into their current system; however once they understand how easy it is, they accept it.

In one of my assignments years ago, the pastor asked all parishioners to put an envelope into the basket. He told them that even if it was empty, please use it, because it was a large parish in a heavy tourist area, and the only way to track “attendance” at Mass was by the envelopes. It was a little more complicated than that, but suffice to say that he had his reasons for asking people to use the envelopes. (Similar to TheDoctor’s example) Those who made electronic donations simply wrote the amount on the envelope and then wrote “computer” next to the number.

ProVobis also brought up a good point, that there is a value in people “seeing” donations made in the collection basket. One of the way children learn that it’s important to support the church is by imitating their parents who put something in the basket when it’s passed around–like you’re doing with the kids dollars.

Bottom line: speak to someone on the parish staff and ask them why they prefer the envelope system. We can talk about it all day here on CAF, but only they can give you an answer. It might be that you’ll see the value in their reasoning and begin using the envelope system, or it might be that you will “inspire” them to make some changes. You won’t know until you ask.
 
I used to work as a chemist in the paper industry and the sooner we can wean people off of wasting paper, the better off the forests and the environment will be. People need to realize that paper, while “recyclable” requires a huge amount of energy and clean water to produce and even to recycle.

If electronic means are available, and you are still able to get your tax receipts, then I suggest that instead of paper that will go to waste.

Now paper for fine manuscripts (Bibles, breviaries, etc), at least is a non-wasteful use, the manuscripts will be around for a very long time (one hopes).
 
Our parish encourages people to donate electronically. One reason I heard is that it helps keep the income consistent especially during vacation months and also during bad weather when attendance may be down. Apparently a lot of people never make those donations up. We are not asked to use the envelopes weekly.

One criticism I have of the policy is that they tend to push auto payments from VISA and Mastercard. It is easier for our parish to deal with them I think. This of course means that a percentage of a parishioners donation goes to the credit card company. I don’t feel our parish does enough to encourage people to set it up as a “bill payment” from their bank.
 
Question- I get the sense that our parish priest wants everyone to pay via envelope at the offertory. I have an automated electronic payment get sent from my bank acct to the church’s. Inevermiss a payment- and it saves on paper and processing.

Does anyone see a problem with this? Has anyone run into a problem with this?

We have our kids each throw in a dollar to the basket-but we don’t use the envelope. Sometimes we may even forget to bring the spare dollars for the kids.
Our parish encourages electronic payment because your tithe will be received by the parish even if you are unable to attend Mass there.
 
As one who helps count the Sunday collection, I wish more people would utilize some kind of electronic payment. (I also wish people would quit folding their dollar bills into tiny little squares before dropping them into the basket, but that’s a subject for another thread.)
 
I myself tend to make a lump sum offetory in the collection basket every couple of months. On the weeks when I’m not making an offering I feel a little guilty that those surrounding me may wonder why I’m not making a regular offering. I just keep telling myself that I’m making all the donations I can and remind myself that it’s not holy to seek recognition for that.
 
I love the envelopes because I become aware that it is a sacrifice writing the check every Sunday. Automatic deduction would end up being like tax payroll deduction, something that it is not my real choice and I just choose to forget about it. I want it to be a conscious decision every week. Another critical point is that my son sees how much we donate and how much we do not spend on useless items. That shows him which are the true priorities for my family.
 
I also pay via bank deduction. My parish makes available cards at the back of church for those who pay electronically to participate in the offertory. You can fill out your name and request prayer intentions.
 
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