At what point in the Liturgy of the Eucharist does the host turn into the body and blood?

[jas84173]

I always wondered at which words it actually occurs. Is it when the priest says to bring the spirit upon them, or is it later when he does the memorial of the last supper?

 

[joeybaggz]

I always wondered at which words it actually occurs. Is it when the priest says to bring the spirit upon them, or is it later when he does the memorial of the last supper?

A question I have also often wondered. I want to believe the Holy Spirit descends on the altar when the priest extends his hands over the bread and wine and asks, “Lord let Your Spirit descend on these gifts like the dewfall…” Several priests have said though that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood at the Consecration.

Actually, it is an academic question. The Lord comes to us physically in the Eucharist, exactly when … not something I’m going to lose mental sleep over.

 

[Debbie_Kono]

A priest told me it’s when he says “This is my body” and “This is my blood”. An ex-Catholic I know who is now a Protestant pastor said it is then the bells are rung after Consecration.

 

[po18guy]

A priest told me it’s when he says “This is my body” and “This is my
blood”. An ex-Catholic I know who is now a Protestant pastor said it is
then the bells are rung after Consecration.

You heard correctly. Just as in the upper room, it is at the words of consecration.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Great question! …

 

[Vico]

I always wondered at which words it actually occurs. Is it when the priest says to bring the spirit upon them, or is it later when he does the memorial of the last supper?

It varies with the Liturgy used, for example, in that of the Assyrian Church of the East:

The Anaphora of Addai and Mari is notable because, from time immemorial, it has been used without a recitation of the Institution Narrative. As the Catholic Church considers the words of the Eucharistic Institution a constitutive and therefore indispensable part of the Anaphora or Eucharistic Prayer, a long and careful study was undertaken of the Anaphora of Addai and Mari, from a historical, liturgical and theological perspective, at the end of which the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith on January 17th, 2001 concluded that this Anaphora can be considered valid. H.H. Pope John Paul II has approved this decision. … Finally, the words of Eucharistic Institution are indeed present in the Anaphora of Addai and Mari, not in a coherent narrative way and ad litteram, but rather in a dispersed euchological way, that is, integrated in successive prayers of thanksgiving, praise and intercession.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...uni_doc_20011025_chiesa-caldea-assira_en.html

Catechism

1353 In the epiclesis, the Church asks the Father to send his Holy Spirit (or the power of his blessing180) on the bread and wine, so that by his power they may become the body and blood of Jesus Christ and so that those who take part in the Eucharist may be one body and one spirit (some liturgical traditions put the epiclesis after the anamnesis).

In the institution narrative, the power of the words and the action of Christ, and the power of the Holy Spirit, make sacramentally present under the species of bread and wine Christ’s body and blood, his sacrifice offered on the cross once for all.

 

[deprofundis89]

In the Roman rite of the mass transubstantiation takes place at the words of consecration and that is why it’s the most solemn part of the mass… With regards to the liturgy of Addai and Mari (the Syro-Malabar rite) even the eastern clergy seem to have varying views about when the actual transubstantiation takes place.
I have attended the liturgy of Addai and Mari more than 2 dozen times and as a Latin rite it’s really difficult to make out which part is the Anaphora as the language was different and also the priest elevates the paten and chalice more than once and the bells ring often.

 

[Vico]

In the Roman rite of the mass transubstantiation takes place at the words of consecration and that is why it’s the most solemn part of the mass… With regards to the liturgy of Addai and Mari (the Syro-Malabar rite) even the eastern clergy seem to have varying views about when the actual transubstantiation takes place.
I have attended the liturgy of Addai and Mari more than 2 dozen times and as a Latin rite it’s really difficult to make out which part is the Anaphora as the language was different and also the priest elevates the paten and chalice more than once and the bells ring often.

In the Byzantine Divine Liturgy (both Orthodox and Eastern Catholic) the Anaphora must be completed. I the Anaphora (St. Basil), the Epiklesis ends with:

So that all of us who share this one bread and chalice may be united with one another in the communion of the one Holy Spirit and that none of us partake of the holy body and blood of our Christ for judgment or condemnation. (Profound bow.)

 

[JoeVig]

Exactly what ive learned too. Its the time between bells

 

[PJM]

Precisely with the WORDS:

This IS MY Body
This IS MY Blood

GREAT question, thanks
Patrick