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WildEyedAtheist
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I agree completely with TR. Personal attacks get us nowhere.
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Montalban
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Show me the proof
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WildEyedAtheist
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Actually, I suppose I do. As I said to another of your postings, TR, I believe that morals are both a taught and learned system of judgments AND a changeable one.
Who are the taught BY? Your parents, educators, hell, even the church! You soak up all of these teachings like a sponge.
They are changeable because your “moral leanings” may change over time, and the morals you picked up from Dad, may not be the morals you wish to follow.
No, black people are not “sub-human” as your father believed (which he learned from HIS father.) YOU may come to NOT believe that, thus YOU have changed, or adapted your morals to fit who YOU are. (Evolution)
No god. No assigned morals. Did god assign these morals to his priests?
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WildEyedAtheist
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Proof I have my dog exists = Yes.
Proof I have my dog doesn’t exist = No.
It’s a matter of how you wish to view it.
And yes, please.
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WildEyedAtheist
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Ah, the whole “if I believe it never happened, it never happened” ploy, eh.
I suppose you have just called Pope Innocent III “misguided.”
Ask your Father if you don’t believe me.
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WildEyedAtheist
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Don’t you mean blasphemy?
Don’t you mean, “we can’t refute him, so kick him out?”
Is this Catholicism at it’s finest?
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Dameedna
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If it’s possible to be found, then yes it will be found. If you are asking me wether or not I have a kind of “faith” in some areas of life? Absolutely.
lol… well there are definately times when I do feel sad that I don’t believe in something but there is pretty much nothing I can do about that, so I’ve deal with it.
Well, I preface this by saying those “chemicals” are not exactly simple or easy to understand. I don’t KNOW something until it’s proven, but It is one possibility yes.
Like I said, those “chemicals” you are talking about are quite complicated. The Human “brain” is extrodinarily complicated and we are at our infancy in understanding IT and our bodies in general.
What you seem to be saying to me, is that right or wrong is simply a matter of belief due to chemical reactions, and that everyone’s chemicals are different.
They aren’t. We are all the same species, meaning that if there is a biological component to our morality , then all of us will have that component. However interestingly enough, when people’s “chemicals” are out of whack, their morality often is as well. What comes first however? The lack of morality creating the variance in chemical reactions, or do the chemical reactions cause a problem with morality.
Bottom line is, we simply don’t know. I’m comfortable with the unknown. I don’t need all the answers. I just require proof and or experience of something to believe it is real. I now have one foot in the door of agnosticism and would not longer call myself an athiest(or an angry athiest). I’m a bit 50/50 but I know exactly how athiests feel(even the angry ones) and I know that they make small but good moral choices everyday despite no belief in God.
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dolphinlove
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Lol your a crack up, im just giving you a gentle hint and yet you turn it around to your twisted way of thinking.Don’t you mean blasphemy?
Don’t you mean, “we can’t refute him, so kick him out?”
Is this Catholicism at it’s finest?
Your sarcasm is just a display of your weakness.
For everything you have come up with, it has been refuted, but as usual, you wont listen and just mouth off instead.
Do you know how to debate without resorting to such behaviour? I bet you dont!
Now run along, ive got better things to do than debate with someone who wont debate logically and only uses sarcasm to try and wear people down
Oh, if you do a search, you will find this tactic has been used here many times before, it wont get you anywhere.
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Montalban
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How would you know? It could just be chemicals switching in your brain to give you that illusion
Regardless, ultimately it boils down to mechanical processes -for the atheist, that’s all there is
No. That’s what atheists appear to be saying to me - because there’s no *right *or *wrong *beyond their own self, or sense of self
Prove this.
How would you know that they’re out of whack (morally)?
Tell me how do you know what they’re doing is moral, first.
You accept God then?
You accept God then?
That’s the point you keep missing. You don’t *know *it’s real for it still doesn’t overcome this objection…
As British biologist J. B. S. Haldane wrote in 1927, “If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose my beliefs are true . . . and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms.”
orthodoxytoday.org/articles6/GilderEvolution.php
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Montalban
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For some, the only way to debate is to win, and the only way to win is to attack everything.
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dolphinlove
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when they realise they arent ‘winning’ thats when the attacks begin, and this is a prime case with WildEyedAtheist, but this persons tactic is to attack from the word go, so they must know deep down how wrong they really are
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WildEyedAtheist
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No, not really. But I’m still trying to answer questions 10 posts back! LOL.
I will try to get back on track (so-to-speak) and address our issues first.
My apologies, TR.
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Montalban
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Possibly because you spent about 10 posts denying you’d been asked questions!
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dolphinlove
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Ive got a feeling this is another atheist with more time on his hands than he knows what to do with.Possibly because you spent about 10 posts denying you’d been asked questions!
He’s run out of answers, so the sarcasm kicked in…
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Montalban
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Must be *memes *or something.when they realise they arent ‘winning’ thats when the attacks begin, and this is a prime case with WildEyedAtheist, but this persons tactic is to attack from the word go, so they must know deep down how wrong they really are
I asked this young atheist solicitor at work if she would now advocate that gaols be made over into medical fascilities because a gaol is there to punish people - which would be unfair if we’re only acting on chemcials (excepting when someone is acting against their own subjective sense of right/wrong).
Those who punish others are imposing their sense of right/wrong on others.
The only reason they can do this - force. They’ve got the power to do so.
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Montalban
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I asked a very easy one - for him to more fully source a quote he made on the issue of slavery.
That should take only a few seconds.
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WildEyedAtheist
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LOL.
NOTHING has been refuted.
Drop by this place if you are so ensconced with your debating skills. They will eat you alive.
whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum/
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Montalban
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So your argument that someone can’t argue is to avoid argument yourself and direct them somewhere else.
That’s a rip-snorter!
I’m still waiting for you to answer several of my questions. And, to respond to my super quotes (yes you did respond to this by saying they were irrelevant - that’s the sum total of your response, a ‘just-so’ pronouncemnt to avoid debate - making your own advice above even more ironic)
We can talk about Locke’s concepts of morality not being imposed on others.
Or how my quote directly refutes your sense of truth about your own ideas on morality.
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WildEyedAtheist
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Okay. Here is your chance.
Ask a question, one at a time, and I will answer, one at a time (just like TR).
Be specific. Pick any topic.
Go.
Ask a question, one at a time, and I will answer, one at a time (just like TR).
Be specific. Pick any topic.
Go.
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dolphinlove
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As i said, it has, you just wont listen.
And, ive got better things to do than go to a website that you think will eat me alive…
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