Atheism: The Stars Are On Our Side

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In other words, God is allowing you to partake in a form of suffering that so many souls today around the world have to experience. Instead of being sad about it, you should thank God that He has allowed you this form of suffering. Offer it as a form of penance and rejoice!
Why stop here? You can do better: spread the suffering around, so that more people could “enjoy” the experience. :rolleyes: As Stephen Wright said: “Three out of ten people suffer from hemorrhoids. Does that mean that the other seven enjoys it???”.
 
Why stop here? You can do better: spread the suffering around, so that more people could “enjoy” the experience. :rolleyes: As Stephen Wright said: “Three out of ten people suffer from hemorrhoids. Does that mean that the other seven enjoys it???”.

We do not have the right to cause other people to suffer.​

Sacrifice is the greatest, most pleasing form of prayer we can offer to God. In a mysterious way, we are as pleasing to God as we are willing to sacrifice.
BY offering our sufferings and sacrifices to God, we can unite ourselves to Christ in His Passion.​

Paul said, “discipline doesn’t seem pleasant at the time.”

Christ teaches us that metal is refined by putting it though the fire.
The fire does two things:
It removes impurities, and it purifies and strengthens the metal.

In a similar way, we are purified, for our sakes as well as for the sake of the world.
 
We do not have the right to cause other people to suffer.
Not even for a greater benefit? Ok. But, then you can stop alleviating the suffering, by not helping them. 🙂 You did not cause the suffering, so that is perfectly ok. Down with the nasty doctors, who wish to interfere the beauty and purifying “aspect” of suffering! Let’s all “enjoy” our collective hemorrhoids!
 
You can’t have courage unless you first have fear,
You can’t be a hero without first facing fear,
And you can’t have a victory without first having a battle!
Perfect love casts out all fear.

It is love that makes you courageous…
 
It would probably be the way it is now, or a similar way that requires no divine (name removed by moderator)ut. I look at the universe, and I see that everything seems to be explainable by naturalist principles. This, plus Occam’s Razor, is why I don’t believe in God.
Shredderbeam, how do unintelligent agents act towards an end? Also why is this end always the same or similar when produced?

Next William of Occam created his razor to legitimize his nomilism. There is also an anti-razor "An incorrect simple solution should not be preferred over a complex correct solution.

Although I do accept Occam’s razor, I think that it is abused.
 
Shredderbeam, how do unintelligent agents act towards an end? Also why is this end always the same or similar when produced?

Next William of Occam created his razor to legitimize his nomilism. There is also an anti-razor "An incorrect simple solution should not be preferred over a complex correct solution.

Although I do accept Occam’s razor, I think that it is abused.
What end?
 
Do “principles” exist in physical nature?
I would guess not.
Shredderbeam, how do unintelligent agents act towards an end? Also why is this end always the same or similar when produced?
That’s a very general question. Can you give a specific example?
Next William of Occam created his razor to legitimize his nomilism. There is also an anti-razor "An incorrect simple solution should not be preferred over a complex correct solution.

Although I do accept Occam’s razor, I think that it is abused.
I don’t see any evidence for the existence of a God, or any logical reason why one must exist. Therefore, I do not postulate the existence of a God when I consider the universe, as it would be superfluous.
 
One has to wonder why god made the cosmos the EXACT way it would have to be if god doesn’t exist???

Atheism: The Stars Are On Our Side…

youtube.com/watch?v=3M21xFVwL8c
yet another irrational attempt to avoid logic and rational examination of the issue, allow me to deconstruct this ignorance 1 item at a time
  1. Scripture conveys no information about the stars
so what? Scripture isnt a science text, its about the purpose of the the universe and mans relationship with G-d, not the mechanics of nature. should i be surprised that there is not a manual for my ford pick up somehwere between Mathew and Mark?
  1. G-d need not have produced a universe apart from the earth, light could just rain from the sky with no explicable cause.
why would He need to create the earth? or bodies? He could have created us as pure spirit, directly with Him. oh wait… He did that with the angels. He already Had legions of angels. maybe He wanted something different? something that could love Him by free choice?
  1. multiple suns means that there can be doubt about G-d, as 1 sun wouldnt
70 sextillion suns shows there is a G-d, only 1 sun could be chance.:rolleyes: thats shoddy reasoning.
  1. there are only 2 billion Christains, 70 sextillion suns, G-d must have been mistaken.
what? who would take that literally? conveying countlessness cant be done without reference to something very numerous to anyone but a mathematician capable of grasping the infinite set. how would even well educated men of the time qualify for that king of mathematics?
  1. the search for our origins will lead to the stars!
more irrational claptrap. where did the stars come from?
  1. if there is an intelligent designer, it was a scientist, not a homocidal G-d
yes, i agree no scientists would ever do something dangerous, or homocidal, because they are intelligent, atom bombs, nerve gasses, biological weapons aside. G-d must be a scientist, he used rational means of operation for thhe universe! or maybe G-d is rational…?
  1. atheists respect G-d more than muslims or Christains, because they dont think an immature homocidal G-d could be the designer
again conveinently forgetting the weapons mentioned above, produced by educated, rational, mature human beings.:rolleyes:

after watching this video, i realize that he came to no rational conclusions at all, but no great surprise there. that was luaghable, the fellow that posted that video would get torn up if he came here with such hypocritical balderdash. he understands neither the Scriptures, science, or how to make a rational argument. if this is atheism at its best. lay down your arms now, and we will try not to laugh so hard.😛
 
It would probably be the way it is now, or a similar way that requires no divine (name removed by moderator)ut. I look at the universe, and I see that everything seems to be explainable by naturalist principles. This, plus Occam’s Razor, is why I don’t believe in God.
This does not tell me that the universe wouldn’t be this way if God didn’t exist. You made a giant leap from identifying that there is a natural order with rules and principles to making those principles or rules a universal principle of reality. Everybody agrees that there is a natural order, but why do you think that the universes entire existence is explainable by naturalist principles? Why do you think that natural events are the cause of existence in its entirety?
 
One has to wonder why god made the cosmos the EXACT way it would have to be if god doesn’t exist???
If there was no God, there would be no stars in the first place. For if there isn’t an unmoved mover, then matter couldn’t exist.
 
That has to be the most obtuse argument against the existence of God I’ve ever seen.

“All that the Holy books tell us about the stars, a child could have told you.” And? :confused:

If you expect a Holy book to tell you something about astrophysics, you are so far away from understanding God there is likely no hope in even discussing the matter with you. It is amazing how the video narrator expresses his insights into truths such as, “the earth and the sun are all that we are told about”, and still doesn’t comprehend the purpose of that focus within the Biblical stories as expressions of a relationship, rather than as God’s chance to prove his scientific brilliance to mankind.

And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” That has nothing to do with being unsophisticated and lacking in brillance. It has to do with focus.
 
That has to be the most obtuse argument against the existence of God I’ve ever seen.

“All that the Holy books tell us about the stars, a child could have told you.” And? :confused:

If you expect a Holy book to tell you something about astrophysics, you are so far away from understanding God there is likely no hope in even discussing the matter with you. It is amazing how the video narrator expresses his insights into truths such as, “the earth and the sun are all that we are told about”, and still doesn’t comprehend the purpose of that focus within the Biblical stories as expressions of a relationship, rather than as God’s chance to prove his scientific brilliance to mankind.

And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” That has nothing to do with being unsophisticated and lacking in brillance. It has to do with focus.
👍

Children don’t have a “side”. 😉
 
yet another irrational attempt to avoid logic and rational examination of the issue, allow me to deconstruct this ignorance 1 item at a time
Ok…
so what? Scripture isnt a science text, its about the purpose of the the universe and mans relationship with G-d, not the mechanics of nature. should i be surprised that there is not a manual for my ford pick up somehwere between Mathew and Mark?
Your right it’s not, but not even a little insight from the creator of the universe?? The knowledge equals that of desert tribes… go figure eh?

Oh and did you make your ford?
why would He need to create the earth? or bodies? He could have created us as pure spirit, directly with Him. oh wait… He did that with the angels. He already Had legions of angels. maybe He wanted something different? something that could love Him by free choice?
Angels? Show me one of these angels?
70 sextillion suns shows there is a G-d, only 1 sun could be chance.:rolleyes: thats shoddy reasoning.

??? :confused: Its not shoddy at all, god made every thing to look like he doesn’t exist eh?
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what? who would take that literally? conveying countlessness cant be done without reference to something very numerous to anyone but a mathematician capable of grasping the infinite set. how would even well educated men of the time qualify for that king of mathematics?
more irrational claptrap. where did the stars come from?
Hydrogen fusion?
yes, i agree no scientists would ever do something dangerous, or homocidal, because they are intelligent, atom bombs, nerve gasses, biological weapons aside. G-d must be a scientist, he used rational means of operation for thhe universe! or maybe G-d is rational…?
Maybe, but then it not the xian god then is it?
again conveinently forgetting the weapons mentioned above, produced by educated, rational, mature human beings.:rolleyes:
And used by them :rolleyes:?
after watching this video, i realize that he came to no rational conclusions at all, but no great surprise there. that was luaghable, the fellow that posted that video would get torn up if he came here with such hypocritical balderdash. he understands neither the Scriptures, science, or how to make a rational argument. if this is atheism at its best. lay down your arms now, and we will try not to laugh so hard.😛
lol ok… Atheists… that don’t believe in sky daddy, are the irrational ones. :D.
 
One has to wonder why god made the cosmos the EXACT way it would have to be if god doesn’t exist???
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Because God gives us just enough evidence to believe, but also just enough evidence to doubt. Without room for doubt there is no such thing as Faith, and life becomes pointless. I wish more people would understand this.
 
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