Atheist view of hell

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ANV said:
But I answered indirectly, maybe a happy beauty place, as it is being said, I don’t believe in Heaven so I’m describing heaven and Hell according to what is being said about both. I can’t describe them literally apart from what they are being refered to, eternal place of happiness, eternal place of suffering. I can see a beautiful place on earth and call it heaven as figure of speech and a terrible place and call it Hell.
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NB They’re not physical places but spiritual kingdoms.
 
reggieM said:
Ok, but I think you need a lot more detail than that. Right now you just have an eternal place of happiness with beauty. But what does that entail? What is it like for the people there?
The reason it is important is because you’re comparing these ideas on hell, so the more knowledge and detail about heaven you have, the better your comparison will be.
What are the conditions of the people in heaven? Why are they happy?
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In this respect, Reggie, it’s not only the devil who is in the detail! 🙂
 
reggieM said:
Ok, but I think you need a lot more detail than that. Right now you just have an eternal place of happiness with beauty. But what does that entail? What is it like for the people there?
The reason it is important is because you’re comparing these ideas on hell, so the more knowledge and detail about heaven you have, the better your comparison will be.
What are the conditions of the people in heaven? Why are they happy?
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I don’t know what makes them happy since I don’t believe in such a place or “spiritual place” or people or angels there, If I can imagine, I would say maybe as it is on Earth, beauty place no pain, unlike Hell, these seem to me the main conditions might be as I would imagine.
 
ANV said:
I think that a god who gives cancer to an innocent child isn’t unlikely for him to send an innocent atheist or any non believer in him to hell. Hell is so consistent with such a god. The idea of an all loving all merciful and powerful God is absurd.
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It is the association of cancer and disbelief that is absurd! Moral and natural evil have nothing in common apart from the fact that the former often produces the latter…
 
tonyrey said:
It is the association of cancer and disbelief that is absurd! Moral and natural evil have nothing in common apart from the fact that the former often produces the latter…
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Not associating cancer with disbelief, but associating it with the disbelief in a loving god.
 
ANV said:
I think that a god who gives cancer to an innocent child isn’t unlikely for him to send an innocent atheist or any non believer in him to hell…
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God doesn’t** give** cancer to anyone. It has physical causes such as pollution and exposure to radiation which are often due to human greed and ignorance.
 
ANV said:
Not associating cancer with disbelief, but associating it with the disbelief in a loving god.
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Thereby implying that you know how to create a better universe than the one we inhabit…
 
ANV said:
Not associating cancer with disbelief, but associating it with the disbelief in a loving god.
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Thereby implying you know how to create a better universe than the one we inhabit!
 
tonyrey said:
God doesn’t** give** cancer to anyone. It has physical causes such as pollution and exposure to radiation which are often due to human greed and ignorance.
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If God created everything then he created cancer and others sorts of suffering, denying that would be like denying that your god is the creator of all things, suffering existed before human existence, God created it therefore he must be evil for doing such a thing and has the ability to stop it and doesn’t therefore he’s more evil.
 
tonyrey said:
Thereby implying that you know how to create a better universe than the one we inhabit…
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Easy as a breeze. Unfortunately our power is limited. So we can only do it one step at a time. Finding cures for diseases. Raising the standard of living. With more power we could do much more.

Going back to the topic, atheists have no “vision” of hell.
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
Easy as a breeze. Unfortunately our power is limited. So we can only do it one step at a time. Finding cures for diseases. Raising the standard of living. With more power we could do much more.
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Making piecemeal improvements is a vastly different proposition from creating an entire biosphere in which there are no diseases, disasters and deformities. It is highly significant that no one has ever produced a feasible blueprint of a universe superior to the one we inhabit…
Going back to the topic, atheists have no “vision” of hell.
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That is not surprising because they have no vision of anything except total oblivion in which everything disappears without leaving any trace of its existence!
 
ANV said:
God doesn’t** give**
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On the contrary if you value your life and the lives of others you imply it is worth having in spite of its drawbacks. Or would you prefer like Schopenhauer that it had never existed on this planet?

God created the laws of nature without which there would be no life at all. It is absurd to believe there will never be any misfortunes, tragedies, conflict or interference in an immensely complex system with countless billions of living organisms pursuing different goals. The onus is on the atheist to demonstrate **precisely **how that miracle could be achieved; otherwise it remains a worthless hypothesis…
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tonyrey said:
Making piecemeal improvements is a vastly different proposition from creating an entire biosphere in which there are no diseases, disasters and deformities. It is highly significant that no one has ever produced a feasible blueprint of a universe superior to the one we inhabit…

That is not surprising because they have no vision of anything except total oblivion in which everything disappears without leaving any trace of its existence!
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If I ask you for a vision of something you don’t believe it’s real, how would you respond?

Yes, we die, we cease to exist, that’s what we believe to be true and real, is it a bad thing? not necessarily, sometimes you have to just face reality, even if you might dislike it, humans love to live for ever, that’s one reason they created several stories and tales about life after death, but when we die, we just die, that’s it, that is all, which part of something being dead we don’t get?
 
tonyrey said:
“if” is an irrational foundation for any proposition and amounts to wishful thinking in a dreamworld…
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If is an assertion for an argument, I already know that I don’t and will never have such an ability, so speaking of logic and reality, indeed I don’t have such ability and never will, speaking of what I do if I had it, for the sake of argument, I answered.
The whole OP is built on IF, atheists don’t believe in Hell, so how their vision of it would be, for the sake of argument, we responded. IF is argumentative, and doesn’t necessarily means accepting something as reality.
So IF I were a god, I would do this, for some arguments that may be mentioned, it’s by the same logic.
 
ANV said:
*Making piecemeal improvements is a vastly different proposition from creating an entire biosphere in which there are no diseases, disasters and deformities. It is highly significant that no one has ever produced a feasible blueprint of a universe superior to the one we inhabit…
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I’d say it’s a waste of time and energy because life is short and there are more useful things to do rather than fantasize.
Yes, we die, we cease to exist, that’s what we believe to be true and real, is it a bad thing? not necessarily, sometimes you have to just face reality, even if you might dislike it,
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It’s not a question of dislike but hatred of injustice. All the innocent victims of the Nazis and other atheistic regimes would never be consoled or compensated for all the needless pain and suffering they had to endure.
humans love to live for ever, that’s one reason they created several stories and tales about life after death, but when we die, we just die, that’s it, that is all, which part of something being dead we don’t get?
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You need to produce evidence for your hypothesis that we exist by sheer chance even though we have the power of reason which mindless molecules lack. The onus is on you to explain precisely how it developed, an achievement no one has ever accomplished in spite of all the fancy talk of “evolution” as if it’s a magic wand that can perform miracles!
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tonyrey said:
I’d say it’s a waste of time and energy because life is short and there are more useful things to do rather than fantasize.

It’s not a question of dislike but hatred of injustice. All the innocent victims of the Nazis and other atheistic regimes would never be consoled or compensated for all the needless pain and suffering they had to endure.

You need to produce evidence for your hypothesis that we exist by sheer chance even though we have the power of reason which mindless molecules lack. The onus is on you to explain precisely how it developed, an achievement no one has ever accomplished in spite of all the fancy talk of “evolution” as if it’s a magic wand that can perform miracles!
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I’m not here for long debates, just answering the original post, and not to be out of topic on evolution or atheists morality which I don’t see how atheists morality is related to the arguments of a creator or many being evil, suffering and Hell, which supposingly existed before any atheist, I hope some other person might answer you, be well.
 
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