Atheists Announce Public Campaign Against Catholics

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The atheist has no basis for morality. That gives atheists carte blanche to target and destroy theists.
I think they do. Setting aside the anarchists, which really is not exclusive to atheists, I reckon, atheism’s morality is based on the desire for an organised social structure and acknowledgement of their responsibilities within it. That’s the way I see it anyway.
 
I think they do. Setting aside the anarchists, which really is not exclusive to atheists, I reckon, atheism’s morality is based on the desire for an organised social structure and acknowledgement of their responsibilities within it. That’s the way I see it anyway.
Intentionally killing an innocent human being is either right or it’s wrong, it doesn’t depend on a social structure.

The organized social structure could say that it’s moral to systematically murder clerics. Who’s to say they’re wrong? Nobody, that’s who because it’s moral relativism, and that’s no morality at all.
 
People kill people when they act on their bad ideas. Anti-theist atheists are not a new phenomena. The atheist has no basis for morality. That gives atheists carte blanche to target and destroy theists.

Anti-theist atheism is not a new phenomena.
Wow! I skimmed the thread and it’s awful. I think that those who play the role of Church Militant when they lash out at people and with such lack of charity to individuals and groups in the name of defending the Church should check themselves and try to understand where they are coming from. I disagree with your attempt of condemning a whole group of people as evil. This is not to promote morality without God, I know where that leads - an empty, loss place that does not give value even to the very existence of the individual. But, atheists are not the evil people nor threat to the Church that you are trying to make them out to be. Yes, secularism is growing and is damaging but, maybe we the faithfuls have a big responsibility in that. We don’t need to wash our hands like Pontius Pilate.

Our Lord Jesus died and loves lynx and all the atheists. Who made you judge? They have a sense of morality even though it is not based on knowing that God exist. They are human beings who were created by God.
 
Intentionally killing an innocent human being is either right or it’s wrong, it doesn’t depend on a social structure.

The organized social structure could say that it’s moral to systematically murder clerics. Who’s to say they’re wrong? Nobody, that’s who because it’s moral relativism, and that’s no morality at all.
The Catholic Church has done quite a bit of murdering and torture in it’s day and they seemed to think it was a pretty moral thing to do because they were “saving” their victims in the process. Granted that was a long time ago but but morals about what is right and wrong were different in that day, different than they are today depending on where you live and what that society is like.
 
Wow! I skimmed the thread and it’s awful. I think that those who play the role of Church Militant when they lash out at people and with such lack of charity to individuals and groups in the name of defending the Church should check themselves and try to understand where they are coming from. I disagree with your attempt of condemning a whole group of people as evil. This is not to promote morality without God, I know where that leads - an empty, loss place that does not give value even to the very existence of the individual. But, atheists are not the evil people nor threat to the Church that you are trying to make them out to be. Yes, secularism is growing and is damaging but, maybe we the faithfuls have a big responsibility in that. We don’t need to wash our hands like Pontius Pilate.

Our Lord Jesus died and loves lynx and all the atheists. Who made you judge? They have a sense of morality even though it is not based on knowing that God exist. They are human beings who were created by God.
A Lenten reflection for you:

vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/2006/via_crucis/en/station_03.html#_ftnref1Falling beneath the weight of the cross,
Jesus reminds us that sin is a heavy burden,
sin lowers us and destroys us,
sin punishes us and brings us evil:
in a word, sin is evil
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm 2124 The name “atheism” covers many very different phenomena. One common form is the practical materialism which restricts its needs and aspirations to space and time. Atheistic humanism falsely considers man to be "an end to himself, and the sole maker, with supreme control, of his own history."59 Another form of contemporary atheism looks for the liberation of man through economic and social liberation. "It holds that religion, of its very nature, thwarts such emancipation by raising man’s hopes in a future life, thus both deceiving him and discouraging him from working for a better form of life on earth."60
2125 Since it rejects or denies the existence of God, atheism is a sin against the virtue of religion.61 The imputability of this offense can be significantly diminished in virtue of the intentions and the circumstances. "Believers can have more than a little to do with the rise of atheism. To the extent that they are careless about their instruction in the faith, or present its teaching falsely, or even fail in their religious, moral, or social life, they must be said to conceal rather than to reveal the true nature of God and of religion."62
I’ll side with the Church. Hate the sin, love the sinner.
 
Witchcraft is a sin too, but, the Church is not commanding us to go on a witch hunt and burn them at the stakes. Our Lord Jesus does command us to evangelize and to LOVE our neighbors as ourselves.

CCC 2124: The name “atheism” covers many very different phenomena. One common form is the practical materialism which restricts its needs and aspirations to space and time. Atheistic humanism falsely considers man to be "an end to himself, and the sole maker, with supreme control, of his own history."59 Another form of contemporary atheism looks for the liberation of man through economic and social liberation. "It holds that religion, of its very nature, thwarts such emancipation by raising man’s hopes in a future life, thus both deceiving him and discouraging him from working for a better form of life on earth."60 Since it rejects or denies the existence of God, atheism is a sin against the virtue of religion.61 The imputability of this offense can be significantly diminished in virtue of the intentions and the circumstances. "Believers can have more than a little to do with the rise of atheism. To the extent that they are careless about their instruction in the faith, or present its teaching falsely, or even fail in their religious, moral, or social life, they must be said to conceal rather than to reveal the true nature of God and of religion."62

CCC 588: Jesus scandalized the Pharisees by eating with tax collectors and sinners as familiarly as with themselves.364 Against those among them “who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and despised others”, Jesus affirmed: "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."365 He went further by proclaiming before the Pharisees that, since sin is universal, those who pretend not to need salvation are blind to themselves.366

[/INDENT]I’ll side with the Church. Hate the sin, love the sinner.
Yes, this phrase is very popular it’s become a cliche’. But, can you read it again? Are you hating the sin and LOVING the sinners? There is no instead, it’s a matter of not cherry picking the teachings of the Church to justify our abusive, hatred provoking uncharitable behavior.

On the other hand, while rejecting atheism, the Church “strives to detect in the atheistic mind the hidden causes for the denial of God; conscious of how weighty are the questions which atheism raises, and motivated by love for all men, she believes these questions ought to be examined seriously and more profoundly” (GS 21). In particular, she is concerned to make progress “led by the Holy Spirit who renews and purifies her ceaselessly” (GS 21), in order to remove from her life whatever might unjustly hurt those who do not believe.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/alpha/data/aud19850612en.html#tocA2

PRAYER

Jesus, friend of sinners and tax collectors (Mt 9:11; 11:19: Lk 15:1-2),
you have come to save not the just, but sinners (Mt 9:13)
and wished to give us a proof of your great love (Eph 2:4)
and of the abundance of your mercy,
by accepting to die for us while we were yet sinners (Rom 5:8).
Look upon us with your kindness
and after we have tasted the purifying bitterness of humiliation,
take us into your arms, strong with fatherly mercy,
and transform with your forgiveness
the mud of sin into a garment of glory.
 
Witchcraft is a sin too, but, the Church is not commanding us to go on a witch hunt and burn them at the stakes.
Who’s doing that? It’s not a sin to acknowledge historical truth: atheism is the force behind the greatest mass murders of history.

It is not charity to confirm others in their sin.
 
This would not be the first time Spanish atheists have gone after the Church.

What can be said to them? They voluntarily place themselves beyond dialogue. Viva la Muerte! Viva Cristo Rey!
 
Intentionally killing an innocent human being is either right or it’s wrong, it doesn’t depend on a social structure.

The organized social structure could say that it’s moral to systematically murder clerics. Who’s to say they’re wrong? Nobody, that’s who because it’s moral relativism, and that’s no morality at all.
But, who are we to say that an atheist cannot distinguish right from wrong? Any loss of moral compass is a matter of choice. And, we cannot say that atheists tend to do wrong more than people of faith.
Wow! I skimmed the thread and it’s awful. I think that those who play the role of Church Militant when they lash out at people and with such lack of charity to individuals and groups in the name of defending the Church should check themselves and try to understand where they are coming from. I disagree with your attempt of condemning a whole group of people as evil. This is not to promote morality without God, I know where that leads - an empty, loss place that does not give value even to the very existence of the individual. But, atheists are not the evil people nor threat to the Church that you are trying to make them out to be. Yes, secularism is growing and is damaging but, maybe we the faithfuls have a big responsibility in that. We don’t need to wash our hands like Pontius Pilate.

Our Lord Jesus died and loves lynx and all the atheists. Who made you judge? They have a sense of morality even though it is not based on knowing that God exist. They are human beings who were created by God.
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But, who are we to say that an atheist cannot distinguish right from wrong? Any loss of moral compass is a matter of choice. And, we cannot say that atheists tend to do wrong more than people of faith.
The point that you’re missing is that they have no moral compass to lose. Meta-ethical moral relativism is not a compasshttp://www.smileyarena.com/emoticons/Main/Scary_Stuff/death.gif, it’s a ouija board.
 
This would not be the first time Spanish atheists have gone after the Church.

What can be said to them? They voluntarily place themselves beyond dialogue. Viva la Muerte! Viva Cristo Rey!
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The point that you’re missing is that they have no moral compass to lose. Meta-ethical moral relativism is not a compasshttp://www.smileyarena.com/emoticons/Main/Scary_Stuff/death.gif, it’s a ouija board.
Are you implying that atheists do not possess the precepts of natural moral law?
 
Are you implying that atheists do not possess the precepts of natural moral law?
I would actually agree with 1holycatholic on one point, that there really is no ultimate philophical basis for morality in a godless world. Even ‘social morality’ requires individuals to put self-interest second to the interest of the group, often taking such atruism to the level of dying in battle for the group or forfeiting ones wealth in taxes fr its sake. A rational person with self-interest in mind would,l at any opportunity, cheat the community, steal, kill, whatever, for their own self-interest. So I don’t think there is a true basis for morality in an atheistic world.

That said, almost no atheists think this, and virtually non are even aware what the logical conclusions of their beliefs are (same can probably be said of peopl in general). Most atheists are decent people, in my opinion against all reason, but of course that’s good that they are irrationally decent (irrational, as in, not in keeping with the implications of their atheism). So there can be no ultimate basis for morality in atheism, even though atheists are still generally moral. So in part, I guess I agree with you Santi.

I myself think we can say that they possess the precepts of natural law, but close their eyes entirely to where it came from. Again, not a rational position IMO, but negligibly few people actually reject both the lawgiver and the laws.
 
Are you implying that atheists do not possess the precepts of natural moral law?
I’m not saying that. Having something doesn’t mean it isn’t going to be rejected. The primary precept of the natural moral law is the desire for God, something atheists reject by definition. The natural law is in the heart of all men as a matter of reason. Atheism is not a position based on right reason.
 
Annoncing that which they have done since Voltaire?? How…clever…bring it on!:cool: Lets rock
 
Who’s doing that? It’s not a sin to acknowledge historical truth: atheism is the force behind the greatest mass murders of history.
Talk about demonizing. Have you been keeping a body count of the Middle East. It will not be over until the Jewish people get the land that was given to them in the Old Testament. This will include problems with Libya, Saudi Arabia etc… the future holds one military conflict after another and wars and battles. Keep in mind that Iraq was carpet bombed, to use the expression of the CIA/journalist that reported from the war. He exclaimed: It looks like the fourth of July here!! with a great triumphant smile. I am one of those that yearns for peace and justice and find solace in the consolation Our Lord Jesus gives us and that he let us know in advance that this things will happen and must. But, in one hundred years an atheist can say the same thing you are now - if it is true that they can’t now. The winners write the history.
It is not charity to confirm others in their sin.
It is obvious that I am not doing this so your words are to the wind.
 
The point that you’re missing is that they have no moral compass to lose. Meta-ethical moral relativism is not a compasshttp://www.smileyarena.com/emoticons/Main/Scary_Stuff/death.gif, it’s a ouija board.
Your approach horrifies me. http://www.smileyarena.com/emoticons/Main/Scary_Stuff/death.gif Come on, what are you doing?!?

Romans 2
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

I want to quote this too:

17 Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; 18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”**

Peace,

Abba**
 
Talk about demonizing. Have you been keeping a body count of the Middle East. It will not be over until the Jewish people get the land that was given to them in the Old Testament. This will include problems with Libya, Saudi Arabia etc… the future holds one military conflict after another and wars and battles. Keep in mind that Iraq was carpet bombed, to use the expression of the CIA/journalist that reported from the war. He exclaimed: It looks like the fourth of July here!! with a great triumphant smile. I am one of those that yearns for peace and justice and find solace in the consolation Our Lord Jesus gives us and that he let us know in advance that this things will happen and must. But, in one hundred years an atheist can say the same thing you are now - if it is true that they can’t now. The winners write the history.
Irrelevant content capped off with a conspiracy theory.

That’s not a good way to make a point.
It is obvious that I am not doing this so your words are to the wind.
No, it’s not obvious. You seem to be in denial.
 
I am not going to play a word game with you. I have more productive things to do with my time. You can flaunt your education all you want but, you can not hide your cold heart. It is your choice to bring hatred to the world. I choose with the Grace of God to bring love and the light of Our Lord Jesus Christ to the world.

There are things that we can do to stop the spread of atheism and diminish it:

We can pray for them.

We can pray to Our Lord to raise up a great saint from their midst who can serve as an inspiration and guide to those who are victims of atheism.

We can make sure that we do not neglect our duty to bring our children to Jesus.

We can evangelize in our homes so that our whole household is Catholic.

We can practice our faith.

“Before Lent is over we should see to it that the secret leaks out that we are Catholics, the favored children of God.” Arendzen.
 
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