Atheists want iconic 17-foot cross removed from 9/11 museum

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Maybe not. It isn’t even really the same object that was extracted out of the rubble. It has been modified to make it look like a cross over the years. A Jewish group also protested its inclusion absent of any other recognition of the varying religions or lack thereof of the people who died and the memorial board agreed to instal a Star of David.
So the perpendicular beams of steel didn’t look like a cross? :cool: Moreover, the inclusion of the cross in the museum hasn’t a thing to do with discrimination, i.e., that this “cross” was found in the rubble by workers at ground zero thus providing something for the workers to rally around is what makes it historically relevant to the events of 9/11.

P.S. The “cross” is part of the 9/11 story because of it’s significance to the many workers that were on Ground Zero.
 
I have no problem with putting other religious symbols up like the Star of David to respect those of other faith who died. What do the atheists want us to put up, just a picture of empty space so they can commemorate all there fellow lumps of organic matter that died and went no where? Because apparently having a belief in more than this life is “illogical” to them. We should be upset over the death of all people. It grinds my gears that instead if people seeing this as a memorial to all who perished on that ill fated day, they look to destroy anything that resembles God because it doesn’t coincide with their belief. Well I’m sorry but their belief in nothing doesn’t coincide with mine and the fact that they can’t handle a symbol speaks volumes to their character as human beings. Ironic coming from a group that usually aligns itself on a political philosophy of tolerance for all codes and creeds.

I will pray for them
 
So the perpendicular beams of steel didn’t look like a cross? :cool: Moreover, the inclusion of the cross in the museum hasn’t a thing to do with discrimination, i.e., that this “cross” was found in the rubble by workers at ground zero thus providing something for the workers to rally around is what makes it historically relevant to the events of 9/11.

P.S. The “cross” is part of the 9/11 story because of it’s significance to the many workers that were on Ground Zero.
People need to be careful when they accuse others of trying to rewrite history. They need to tell the whole story of this object or they’ll be doing what they are accusing atheists of doing. The object on display is not in the same object pulled from the rubble. What they found was a pre-fabricated t-beam. What they did was cut it out of the rubble, alter the girders, trim and shape the metal, and set what they’d created into a concrete stand. It was then used by a local Catholic Church as both an object of veneration and a source of revenue (selling mini-replicas, lapel pins, and rosary attachments in its image). Yes, the object became a rallying point, but that doesn’t mean the true history of the thing should be buried in sentiment. They created and marketed this debris as a religious object for christian people to find comfort in. Surely the Christians aren’t the only ones to have done something like this.
 
People need to be careful when they accuse others of trying to rewrite history. They need to tell the whole story of this object or they’ll be doing what they are accusing atheists of doing. The object on display is not in the same object pulled from the rubble. What they found was a pre-fabricated t-beam. What they did was cut it out of the rubble, alter the girders, trim and shape the metal, and set what they’d created into a concrete stand. It was then used by a local Catholic Church as both an object of veneration and a source of revenue (selling mini-replicas, lapel pins, and rosary attachments in its image). Yes, the object became a rallying point, but that doesn’t mean the true history of the thing should be buried in sentiment. They created and marketed this debris as a religious object for christian people to find comfort in. Surely the Christians aren’t the only ones to have done something like this.
First of all, the church to which you refer to is St. Paul’s Chapel, which happened to survive the crash of the Twin Towers completely intact, and is an Episcopal church not Catholic. Secondly, I am in no doubt that the replicas, though not free, were meant to provide a symbol of hope to those who bought them while visiting the Church because of its proximity to Ground Zero (the revenue for all I know was used to help the destitute). And I saw pictures of the beams, it most definitely does look like a cross (even if it needed some work done). Moreover, the museum itself believes this “cross” has significant value and a story to tell. i.e., it was a rallying point for the workers on ground zero, thus it has become part of 9/11. So there is no justification for it being removed, i.e., their story is being told by incorporating it into the museum!! And that’s the whole point.

P.S. By the way, there is a documentary of the Ground Zero cross entitled: “The Cross and The Towers” if any of you wish to see it.
 
I am starting to think that what most Christians need to do is the following:

Place a large cross, or other religious symbol in your own yard, or in the window of your apartment. Those who are Jewish could place the Star of David on their property.

If all of us did this all over the nation we live in we could send a clear message of our belief in God, as well as just how many of us do believe. We also should be wearing a necklace or chain with some religious symbol on it. We need to stop being so invisible.

I have worked for organizations that where supposed to be founded by Christians, and that had to stop putting up pictures of Christ, crosses and other religious objects because of the atheists that worked there. Really???
 
I am starting to think that what most Christians need to do is the following:

Place a large cross, or other religious symbol in your own yard, or in the window of your apartment. Those who are Jewish could place the Star of David on their property.

If all of us did this all over the nation we live in we could send a clear message of our belief in God, as well as just how many of us do believe. We also should be wearing a necklace or chain with some religious symbol on it. We need to stop being so invisible.

I have worked for organizations that where supposed to be founded by Christians, and that had to stop putting up pictures of Christ, crosses and other religious objects because of the atheists that worked there. Really???
Oops! I left this out: I don’t care what your belief system is, so if your Buddist or Muslim, etc.,and if you live in the USA and other “free countries” maybe we should all place a symbol in our yards that reflects our religious beliefs and the freedom to practice that religion. That is what this country was founded on: Freedom of Religion, not from religion.
 
Oops! I left this out: I don’t care what your belief system is, so if your Buddist or Muslim, etc.,and if you live in the USA and other “free countries” maybe we should all place a symbol in our yards that reflects our religious beliefs and the freedom to practice that religion. That is what this country was founded on: Freedom of Religion, not from religion.
I had this idea too, i.e., if the Atheists wish to take away all religious symbols in the public arena, than we should redouble our efforts to place crosses, stars of David, crescents . . etc. on our front lawns, and see what they will do then? 😃
 
I am starting to think that what most Christians need to do is the following:

Place a large cross, or other religious symbol in your own yard, or in the window of your apartment. Those who are Jewish could place the Star of David on their property.

If all of us did this all over the nation we live in we could send a clear message of our belief in God, as well as just how many of us do believe. We also should be wearing a necklace or chain with some religious symbol on it. We need to stop being so invisible.

I have worked for organizations that where supposed to be founded by Christians, and that had to stop putting up pictures of Christ, crosses and other religious objects because of the atheists that worked there. Really???
Your suggestions above are what I have done. An 18" plain cross (not crucifix) is just under my keysafe near the front door. I always wear a cross pendant around my neck. Wearing a cross on some sort of chain around one’s neck has become in our societies simply (sadly) an item of jewellery that does not necessarily indicate the Faith Profession of the wearer. Hence while my cross is relatively small, I have chosen one that I hope very obviously does indicate my Faith Profession and that it is not worn simply as an item of jewellery.
I rather envy in a way Islamic women with their head veils who have such a ‘standout’ symbol of their religious beliefs with their veils able to be seen ‘a mile off’. It would be really wonderful and contribute outstandingly to evangelization if Christians had such a standout ‘advertisement’ for our religious beliefs.

I think if athiests (for one) are working for a Christian organization, then they need to be prepared to have Christian symbols present in their workplace. The same would go for a Christian working for say a Jewish (or other religion) organization.

I do think, however, that we need some sort of general social symbol that represents all religions as well as athiests for display where all religions and athiests may gather for some specific reason. … as I pointed out in my post on 10th March : forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=11785369&postcount=11 . Many of our societies nowadays are multi-cultural with various religious beliefs and my personal belief is that we need to be quite respectful of these diversities.
 
I don’t understand the aggression of these sorts of atheists and their need to destroy things and exert power over people.🤷

I used to be atheist and agnostic, by turns, but I just ignored religious stuff. It just didn’t come on my radar. I believed in live and let live and had no need to force my viewpoint on others.
First, there is not separation of State from Church. There is freedom of religion., which means the state “Shall make no law” concerning the practice of our faith or deny a persons right to practice that faith.

Second, I am tired of a small minority of people getting to have their way all the time. This is supposed to be a Nations OF FOR BY the people. What ever happened to majority rules. If the majority of the people want the cross there the others need to hush up.
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Maybe not. It isn’t even really the same object that was extracted out of the rubble. It has been modified to make it look like a cross over the years. A Jewish group also protested its inclusion absent of any other recognition of the varying religions or lack thereof of the people who died and the memorial board agreed to instal a Star of David.
Hi Emperor Napoleon - What was pulled out of the rubble if it wasn’t in the shape of a cross?

Everything I have seen shows that it was a cross.

Thanks,
lax
 
Hi Emperor Napoleon - What was pulled out of the rubble if it wasn’t in the shape of a cross?

Everything I have seen shows that it was a cross.

Thanks,
lax
Like two broken steel beams. It’s just people trying to give reason to chaos.
 
Tell the Atheists to how do i put it nicely to ‘SOD OFF’ sorry im from London so will say it how i see it, if they dont like it dont look.
 
^ we are not Direct Democracy (majority rule), we are a constitutional republic which by definition is suppose the protect minorities from mob rule.
I do understand your point though and I agree that a small minority should not be able to change something like this. It just dosnt make sense to me why the Cross offends atheists so much, if they truly don’t believe I don’t know why they wouldn’t see it as just a meaningless symbol.

They are probably just upset because deep down inside the holy spirit is trying to bring them back and every time they see a Cross it reminds the soul that God is truly there yet they are at war with themselves spiritually and unfortunately the devil is winning within them. We should always make sure to pray for them.
:amen:

I passed this site every day on my way to work. What was pulled out of the rubble, was indeed in the shape of a Cross.
 
These guys (atheists) accuse Christians and believers of bigotry and intolerance. So tell me now, who are the real ones who are more prejudiced. Maybe they don’t want to look directly at the Cross lest they be converted into believers. Just a thought.
 
Hi Blitzwing - What do you mean?
The World Trade Center was built using prefabricated parts which were bolted or welded together at the site meaning that they probably would of found more “crosses” if they dug deeper into the rubble.
 
The World Trade Center was built using prefabricated parts which were bolted or welded together at the site meaning that they probably would of found more “crosses” if they dug deeper into the rubble.
Apparently, this cross was intact and standing up out of the rubble.

Did they find more crosses? Obviously, they did dig deeper into the rubble. I don’t know what they found, do you?
 
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