Atheists want iconic 17-foot cross removed from 9/11 museum

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Blitzwing said:
in tragedy people will try to find logic in random events like seeing a piece of scrap metal as a cross.
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But it is in the shape of a cross. You many not attach the same meaning to it that some people do, but it still is a cross.

I have not heard people working at Ground Zero speak of the cross as* logical*, but as giving them hope as they dug through the devastating remains. Do you see a problem with that?
 
Speaking as an agnositc, borderline atheist, I do not wish people to associate these loony atheists with their intolerance with other ‘casual atheists’. Either way, sicne America wa smade for everybody and not for atheists removing a cross that many find to be a symbol of hope from any place is an act of intolerance, hypocrisy and childishness so if you agree with the removal of religious symbols just for the sake of it, buzz off and go to your room.

What is especially vexing is how some of these militant ‘atheists’ go out of their way to build monuments dedicated to atheism as if it were a real religion and not a lifestyle choice. People, just don’t lump us together with these nutters, it’s a huge berserk button for me especially since I can actually talk on equal ground with the religious and the casual atheist whereas you can’t talk to a militant atheist or a fundamentlaist christian without being sneered at/bullied, talked down to.
 
lax16 said:
But it is in the shape of a cross. You many not attach the same meaning to it that some people do, but it still is a cross.

I have not heard people working at Ground Zero speak of the cross as* logical*, but as giving them hope as they dug through the devastating remains. Do you see a problem with that?
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Sure.
 
mrajax said:
Speaking as an agnositc, borderline atheist, I do not wish people to associate these loony atheists with their intolerance with other ‘casual atheists’. Either way, sicne America wa smade for everybody and not for atheists removing a cross that many find to be a symbol of hope from any place is an act of intolerance, hypocrisy and childishness so if you agree with the removal of religious symbols just for the sake of it, buzz off and go to your room.

What is especially vexing is how some of these militant ‘atheists’ go out of their way to build monuments dedicated to atheism as if it were a real religion and not a lifestyle choice. People, just don’t lump us together with these nutters, it’s a huge berserk button for me especially since I can actually talk on equal ground with the religious and the casual atheist whereas you can’t talk to a militant atheist or a fundamentlaist christian without being sneered at/bullied, talked down to.
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👍
 
mrajax said:
Speaking as an agnositc, borderline atheist, I do not wish people to associate these loony atheists with their intolerance with other ‘casual atheists’. Either way, sicne America wa smade for everybody and not for atheists removing a cross that many find to be a symbol of hope from any place is an act of intolerance, hypocrisy and childishness so if you agree with the removal of religious symbols just for the sake of it, buzz off and go to your room.

What is especially vexing is how some of these militant ‘atheists’ go out of their way to build monuments dedicated to atheism as if it were a real religion and not a lifestyle choice. People, just don’t lump us together with these nutters, it’s a huge berserk button for me especially since I can actually talk on equal ground with the religious and the casual atheist whereas you can’t talk to a militant atheist or a fundamentlaist christian without being sneered at/bullied, talked down to.
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👍 Thanks for this.
 
The atheist activists are so predicatable. Without God, hate can consume individuals, and these atheists are fine examples of this. It seems as if this group is incapable of anything constructive; all they do is tear down what others have built. :cool:
 
Would it really be a stretch to say that these angry atheists are really trying to impose an atheistic theocracy? Is the 9/11 museum on public or private property?
 
saintjohnxxiii said:
Would it really be a stretch to say that these angry atheists are really trying to impose an atheistic theocracy? Is the 9/11 museum on public or private property?
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According to Wikipedia,
“The National September 11 Memorial & Museum at the World Trade Center is a non-profit corporation with the mission to raise funds for, program, own and operate the memorial and museum at the World Trade Center site.”

I think these atheists don’t understand the concept of museums and memorials. Imagine how many religious artifacts must be in the national museums! Ooooh, there might even be religious paintings. :eek: Gonna ban those? Sheesh, these sorts of atheists are like the Taliban.
 
Why are these atheists trying to push their religious beliefs on the rest of us? Can we say we’re offended by this? Being offended means they have to stop, right? Isn’t that what they tell us all the time?
 
Borealis said:
Why are these atheists trying to push their religious beliefs on the rest of us? Can we say we’re offended by this? Being offended means they have to stop, right? Isn’t that what they tell us all the time?
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Yes! And I think if you say that they make you feel UNSAFE in your country, that absolutely clinches it. Laws will be made that they have to shut up and only talk about atheism in their homes. 😉 😃
 
lax16 said:
Hi Emperor Napoleon - What was pulled out of the rubble if it wasn’t in the shape of a cross?

Everything I have seen shows that it was a cross.

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lax
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Hello lax. What was pulled out of the rubble was a pre-fabricated t-beam; one of thousands used to construct the World Trade Center protruding from and smoldering in the rubble.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Hello lax. What was pulled out of the rubble was a pre-fabricated t-beam; one of thousands used to construct the World Trade Center protruding from and smoldering in the rubble.
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If that’s all it was why are the atheists so upset about it? By protesting it for being a cross aren’t they admitting that that’s what it is?
 
mrajax said:
Speaking as an agnositc, borderline atheist, I do not wish people to associate these loony atheists with their intolerance with other ‘casual atheists’. Either way, sicne America wa smade for everybody and not for atheists removing a cross that many find to be a symbol of hope from any place is an act of intolerance, hypocrisy and childishness so if you agree with the removal of religious symbols just for the sake of it, buzz off and go to your room.

What is especially vexing is how some of these militant ‘atheists’ go out of their way to build monuments dedicated to atheism as if it were a real religion and not a lifestyle choice. People, just don’t lump us together with these nutters, it’s a huge berserk button for me especially since I can actually talk on equal ground with the religious and the casual atheist whereas you can’t talk to a militant atheist or a fundamentlaist christian without being sneered at/bullied, talked down to.
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I agree with this. I have a few friends who are atheists and they arnt in your face about it. They just ignore religion and we just avoid talking about it. We do give eachother a hard time though 😃
 
livingwordunity said:
If that’s all it was why are the atheists so upset about it? By protesting it for being a cross aren’t they admitting that that’s what it is?
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As mentioned before, this pre-fabricated t-beam was modified several times. What is displayed in the museum is not the same object that was protruding out of rubble. What it is today is a man-made cross.
 
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