Atheists who hate god

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I know there are different kind of atheists in this world. I’m referring to whatever kind Stephen Hawking was. I’ve met a lot of atheists and most were like “it would be great if god was real, but he’s probably not.” And then there’s the kind like " god is not real, I don’t want him to be real, and I will spend every bit of energy to prove he’s not." What makes people like Hawking have this attitude? Why would they not want to have some shred of hope? I’ve doubted Gods existence probably more than most people but I still try my best to believe.
 
Deep down, I’ve always chalked it up to good old-fashioned fear.

After all, if God is real then so is Hell. They’ve spent so much of their life acting as if God isn’t real that their only hope of salvation is for Him not to be. The soul knows that God is real. It cannot help but know it. In order to continue living in sin, a person must convince themselves that God isn’t real, or at least isn’t the God that the Bible speaks of. (The God of Mercy AND Judgment.)

It’s like those women who have an abortion, and from then on spend so much energy trying to convince themselves and others that abortion is perfectly fine and not something to be frowned on. They even go so far as to try to make it celebrated. There was one poor women who called into CA one time and said that she had had an abortion because “she just couldn’t handle being pregnant any more.” Prior to that decision she had been 100% anti-abortion, but afterwards she deiced that abortion was okay for people who thought they needed it, and she had spent many years promoting abortion as a positive thing. When the soul turns away from God (from The Good), all that is left is anger and darkness. It must lie to itself, otherwise the reality of what it’s done will catch up to it. Incidentally, multiple Saints have said that this was a major factor that cause many to be damned, the unwillingness to admit that they were wrong.

This is the same as those homosexuals who spend so much time and energy trying to make homosexuality accepted and celebrated.

Evil cannot simply exist. It must do all it can to blot out the good, because if The Good (God) exists, then they are lost.
 
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Emotional investment in a mental position over time means you don’t want to be wrong. It means you spent all those years and decades defending a wrong position. The ego is terrified of all those wasted years. Now, its odd because other people (true Philosophers, many of whom are Atheist) will welcome to be proven wrong because to them their worst fear is not to be proven wrong but to have beliefs based on false information.
 
LoganBryce said:
What makes people like Hawking have this attitude?
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I suspect some have this attitude because they disagree with what the ‘god’ teaches, hence not wanting a god to exist.

Also, I think it’s similar to Christians trying to prove that Hinduism is false (as an example) and vice versa. The atheist simply takes one step further and attempts to prove there is no god at all.
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Why would they not want to have some shred of hope?
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Most likely because they believe there is no need for hope of an afterlife. They may argue it doesn’t exist.
 
Some people who call themselves atheist can better be described as anti-theist.
 
HItchens fell into this category, he said something (Paraphrasing) like “Not only do I think there is a lack of evidence of God, but I affirmatively say it is not true that God exists and would even go further to say that it would be horrible if it were true that God exists”

William Lane Craig destroyed him by using this quote to hang him in their debate. He said “so I see that you affirmatively claim that it is not true that God exists. What evidence do you have for this affirmative claim?”

Hitchens mumbled and stumbled for the next 45 minutes, and of course couldn’t offer any such evidence.
 
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The soul knows that God is real. It cannot help but know it. In order to continue living in sin, a person must convince themselves that God isn’t real, or at least isn’t the God that the Bible speaks of. (The God of Mercy AND Judgment.)
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Totally agree.

The soul knows God is real, it’s worth repeating.

When we deny the existence of God we also deny the existence of soul. When miracles occur they are wrought by God through soul, He is God of the living, of all living souls.

I too think fear is what drives some people to avoid the concept of God. Fear of having to comply perhaps, and I think the ego fears losing its indivuality and freedom to behave in any way it likes. This fear is unfounded in many ways and is borne of a natural survival instinct of the body, but perhaps the biggest way in which is errs is by ignoring the tremendous freedom that belief can afford. Freedom from worry and anxiety about this material world, freedom from fear of loss of face, loss of wealth, even loss of earthly life if faith is strong.

Imagine how Life to the full will be! Life with God and forever to enjoy that bliss of being with the one who knows and loves you and whom you love so very deeply.

No philosophy compares, God is the answer.
 
I think it’s like that same old sin that made Lucifer fall… pride… but who really knows other than them and unless they are going to sit down and do a good old examen…which is unlikely as it requires a healthy dose and humility and the grace of God…I doubt they are going to know either. But I’d guess at the things the others suggest and then pride a good sized dose. I’ve always thought they know (secretly of course in their heart of hearts - not that they’d admit it to anyone even possibly themselves) that God probably exists and that’s why they fight so hard against the premise. Otherwise why would they fight it? They fight it because it would mean living their life a different way, as less comfy way. I think the ones who are luke warm are more the ones that need our concern. I think hate (if they do indeed claim to hate God) is very close to love, it can turn very quickly from one to another, at least they will talk about him and have passion invested in it. I am quite sure He is working with that. Just think how much time Stephen Hawking (if we are talking of him) spent thinking about God, that does not have no effect. In my opinion, even if you try to hate pure love (God) you are still going to fall for Him one day, engaging with Him is engaging with Him and it is still better than not engaging. He even said so himself in revelation I believe we heard it read in daily mass recently. Just googled it and it’s Revelation 3:15 -16. I think it applies here.
 
Think they hate the anthropomorphic God as presented in the Bible.
 
LoganBryce said:
I know there are different kind of atheists in this world. I’m referring to whatever kind Stephen Hawking was. I’ve met a lot of atheists and most were like “it would be great if god was real, but he’s probably not.” And then there’s the kind like " god is not real, I don’t want him to be real, and I will spend every bit of energy to prove he’s not." What makes people like Hawking have this attitude?
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This doesn’t sound anything like Stephen Hawking to me. He seemed to use most of his energy — what was left from coping with his disability — working at the cutting edge of cosmology.
 
You’d have to ask such a person directly, and even then, sometimes people aren’t entirely self-aware as to their likes and dislikes and their origins
 
I really dont see how “this is not what Stephen Hawkings sound like to you”…

“I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.”

“Humanism rejects religion. It attributes nothing to the so called “super-natural”. In this there is an awakened liberty that releases us from the shackles and servitude mentality of old superstitions so that we may realize our full potential.”

" There is a fundamental difference between religion , which is based on authority, [and] science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works."

“Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation. What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t."

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.”
 
They know deep down it’s real at the soul level and they are terrified of having to face up to thei creator due to sin and the devil working in them
 
The matrix said it best : something along lines of ‘they are so dependent on the system they will fight to preserve it ‘ or words to that effect
 
If they really didn’t believe it they wouldnt give it five minutes thought and wouldn’t spend hours trying to stop others believing
 
I wasn’t agreeing this. I was sharing these quotes to the person who defended Hawking.
 
Believing in God is to accept that God is a mystery
St.Paul said “we see in part” as through a mirror dimly
Its possible that some people perceive a believer to be a ’ yes man ’ and
so they endeavour to prove that they can ’ go it alone ’
 
Yes, Hawking was an atheist. What he was definitely not was someone who acted as though …
LoganBryce said:
“ god is not real, I don’t want him to be real, and I will spend every bit of energy to prove he’s not."
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I really dont see how “this is not what Stephen Hawkings sound like to you”…

“I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.”

“Humanism rejects religion. It attributes nothing to the so called “super-natural”. In this there is an awakened liberty that releases us from the shackles and servitude mentality of old superstitions so that we may realize our full potential.”

" There is a fundamental difference between religion , which is based on authority, [and] science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works."

“Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation. What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t."

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.”
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He was giving his opinions. I really don’t see the “hate” there that you seem to see. In fact, none of the atheists I know show any “hate” for God. There are quite a few who hate the way some Christians act, but that’s not the same thing.
 
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