Atheists who hate god

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God is a capital G

I meant conscience as in the evolution of it , sorry I was unclear
 
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I’m used to spell check. I know God is a capital G. I dont believe there is an evolution of it. I was saying that if the evolution atheists believe were true that we never would evolved a conscience. It would not benefit survival. My deer-wolf-human example shows the point I was making. The fact that we’re ready to die for our morals shows survival isn’t our number one goal, but spiritual survival is.
 
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The fact that we’re ready to die for our morals shows survival isn’t our number one goal, but spiritual survival is.
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This is an unusually astute observation. It’s a great contribution, really. Man somehow knows that it’s much more important for him to safeguard his soul than to safeguard his body.

And you’re right with your general point that evolution cannot possibly explain conscience. It also cannot explain compassion and kindness to strangers, man’s sense of aesthetics, his appreciation of art, or his lofty ideals and fantasies, none of which aid survival.
 
Doesn’t make sense how a person can hate someone they say isn’t there.
 
did you know there are evolution theists? People who have deep faith and believe evolution scientifically.
Did you know we are free to believe evolution. Its not against the Catholic Church.
Did you know being ready to die for our morals has nothing to do with the sciences .
 
i disagree with this, as our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, so we should safeguard them. God gave us body and soul.

Its all very well to discuss martyrdom, but until a person is in that position, they cannot predict what they will do.
There should not even be a conflation of evolution and conscience.
There is no logical reason to do so.
 
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You’re gonna twist everything I say. Having morals that a false god demands makes more sense than saying I evolved them to help me survive.
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Some people claim that evolution is a religion. That it is an atheist’s god. From your point of view it would make more sense for me to take my morals from evolution.

In any case, I explained how the Golden Rule evolved and you chose to ignore it. And then chattered abour deer and wolves which completely misses the point. Just because some animals eat their young doesn’t mean to say that all animals do it. You might have noticed that we have evolved to a much greater extent than all other creatures.

Maybe you don’t realise that all emotions that you experience have evolved for a purpose. Now I don’t believe in God so I will say that process is entirely natural. You do believe in God so you are free to say that the process has been guided by God at all times.

Then we’re both happy.
 
I never said evolution was impossible. You did not try to understand the point I was making.
 
LoganBryce said:
It would not benefit survival. My deer-wolf-human example shows the point I was making. The fact that we’re ready to die for our morals shows survival isn’t our number one goal, but spiritual survival is.
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My reply is also for others who have touched on the issue of evolution, altruism, etc.

Not all traits that evolve are life or death survival traits. Some things just evolve but are relatively neutral in terms of survival. (See Stephen Jay Gould.)

There have also been experiments done (sorry, I don’t have the ref. at hand) with very young children. Chimpanzees and other great apes–and other animals for that matter (see numerous you tube videos of one turtle going out of its way to help flip another turtle back onto its feet)–show some degree of altruism, but it is at a later stage of development than human children, and it generally can be tied to a reward of some sort–one chimp shares his food, but understands that others will share with him in the future. With human children (I think as young as 2-3 if I remember correctly), they will share toys, comfort another child who is crying, etc. etc. with no understanding that the favor might be returned. This is fairly unique. If you believe in evolution (I do), then you can attribute this to some genetic mutation or even cultural adaptation. If you believe in pure direct creation (no evolution!), then you can attribute it to the soul or something like that. But there is no necessary contradiction–God can work indirectly as well as directly.
 
I don’t not believe in evolution. I dont think I know or anyone. I think if there is evolution that god has directly changed it before letting it run it’s course. But I definitely think humans have no non homosapian ancestors.
 
I am trying to understand , you are linking evolution to conscience but not to an extent that your point is made clear, which is why I keep asking you what do you mean 🙂

Please start capitalising the G in God
 
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Read my previous post please. I’m unblinking the concious ro evolution.
 
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I don’t not believe in evolution. I dont think I know or anyone. I think if there is evolution that god has directly changed it before letting it run it’s course. But I definitely think humans have no non homosapian ancestors.
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This is kinda wierd. First you ask how evolution can develop morality and then say: ‘Oh, by the way, I don’t think we evolved in any case’.

It would have been helpful to have that information up front so I wouldn’t have wasted my time explaing how something you don’t believes exists actually works.
 
LoganBryce said:
I know there are different kind of atheists in this world. I’m referring to whatever kind Stephen Hawking was.
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I think Hawking like to provoke reactions; with him it was not as much about hating God as much as liking how people responded.

One phrase for a person that believes the is aGod and hates him is “misotheist.”
 
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