Atheists who hate god

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LoganBryce:
I honestly think torture sounds better than lack of existence. A lot of people would agree.
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You didn’t exist for many millions of years. Are you saying you would have preferred agony for millions of years instead?
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I’m with you. I’d much rather not exist than go to Hell.

Doesn’t change the fact that I still believe Hell to be just, I’d just rather not wind up there for the rest of eternity.

From at least one account, it would appear the damned souls would also rather not exist. From A Letter from Beyond
I wish that I had never been born! I wish I could annihilate myself at this moment and escape these torments! There could be no pleasure comparable to being able to end my existence, like a piece of clothing reduced to ashes. But I must exist; I must be as I have made myself, with the entire blame of my end upon my own shoulders.
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Hypotheticals aren’t very satisfying. Looking at life as it is:
We are born. Our life is a mixture of many things. And we all die.
We can be grateful, or we can rail against things we largely can’t control.
Our response to life as a whole is meaningful.
 
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The letter said someone who doesn’t take of their children is worse than a non-believer. The word worse throws out equality. Jesus told pilate he wasn’t as bad as the Jews.
 
I didn’t say it was ok. I said it was more logical. Could you tell me how someone who believes in evolution could give a logical reason why a human would evolve morals when morals would hurt your chance of survival.
 
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when morals would hurt your chance of survival.
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Why would morals hurt chances of survival? If a group shares the same morals, they’re much more likely to cooperate effectively and all are likely to survive as a result - e.g getting a food source, safe shelter, working together against an enemy.

This can be seen lots of animals, not just humans.
 
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I didn’t say it was ok. I said it was more logical. Could you tell me how someone who believes in evolution could give a logical reason why a human would evolve morals when morals would hurt your chance of survival.
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This makes no sense.
 
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I didn’t say it was ok. I said it was more logical. Could you tell me how someone who believes in evolution could give a logical reason why a human would evolve morals when morals would hurt your chance of survival.
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So it’s more logical to use false gods than have no gods. So what if ‘no gods’ came up with The Golden Rule and ‘false gods’ said ‘kill all those who don’t believe’. I’d go with ‘no gods’, as my chance of survival would increase.

Once upon a time there was a bunch of people. No-one believed in gods of any kind. Some of them thought that killing people for no reason at all was no problem at all. And the rest thought it might be a bad idea because if you go around killing other people then other people might come around and kill you. So those type of people tended to stick with each other and keep away from the killers.

Now which group do you think survived longest and passed on their sensible ‘do no harm’ genes to their descendants?

Then this group had people who used to share their food. If one of them had a succesful hunt then he had too much to eat himself and he thought that if he shared his food with others then when they bad a good hunt and he was hungry then they would share with him. But other people didn’t share so went hungry when they couldn’t find anything to eat.

Now which group do you think survived longest and passed on their sensible ‘share your food’ genes to their descendants?

A couple of them were talking one day and chatted about this idea of not killing people and sharing food which seemed to come out of nowhere. ‘But it’s a good rule’ said one.

‘Absolutely golden’, said the other.
 
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Ok. I grew with not a lot of money. Sometimes none. If survival was all that mattered. I could have stole food all the time and been more comfortable. If someone is bullying us instead of being the bigger person we could make them an example. Animals steal food other packs killed. Animals kill over territory. Animals will leave an injured family member behind because they would slow them down.
 
You’re gonna twist everything I say. Having morals that a false god demands makes more sense than saying I evolved them to help me survive.
 
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Ok. I grew with not a lot of money. Sometimes none. If survival was all that mattered. I could have stole food all the time and been more comfortable. If someone is bullying us instead of being the bigger person we could make them an example. Animals steal food other packs killed. Animals kill over territory. Animals will leave an injured family member behind because they would slow them down.
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Then how do morals hurt your chance of survival? You just said animals leave injured behind. Animals kill over turf. That’s death not survival.

On the other hand, human beings can, and frequently do, behave morally. That promotes well being. Hospitals, schools, etc…on and on. Compassion. Justice.
 
Can you please paste the ref to. The Scripture and the actual passages themselves 😀👼
 
You also must remember these are translated from Greek, Jesus spoke Aramaic, and what a word meant two thousand years ago must be put in context.
 
I’m saying the theory of evolution does not support the evolution of a conscience.
 
A herd of deer will have a pack of wolves chasing them. They target a baby deer. The mom sees them get her baby and still runs because she knows she can do nothing. Morality does not outweigh her logic. She isn’t worried about right and wrong, only surviving. If my baby is being attacked by a pack of wolves I will go to them even though I know it is almost certain death.
 
I just read another book by Rabbi Harold Kushner. He had a good story. When someone approached him and said they didn’t believe in God, he would say “Tell me about this god you don’t believe in. Maybe I don’t believe in him either.” Because chances are atheists misunderstand what an informed religious person thinks God is. The “god” in their minds is nothing like the “God” in Kushner’s mind. So Kushner can agree with the atheist and say, “You’re right. I don’t believe in that god either. But I do believe in this God…”
 
I’m saying there is no explanation of a conscience from an atheist point of view.
 
That is I think what drives a lot of the anger behind those hurt by religion.

I still don’t believe in the God my parents taught me.
 
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