Atheists:

[Blade_and_Blood]

Let me ask this: What do you use in making decisions? Facts first and feelings second, or feelings first and facts second? The answer to that question reveals so much about a person.

Alright, before I go:

If memory serves me correctly, it was feelings first, facts second. :yup:

I’ll come back, later. Keep the questions and comments coming.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood

 

[mhpierce]

TO ALL ATHEISTS HERE:

I now realize that pride is the most effective way to block out God so that one doesn’t see him at all. If you remain an atheist, you would have to believe that all the intricate, detailed, complex information contained in DNA comes out of nowhere and nothing. But you must also see how that idea does not make sense. Do you look at billboards which contain much simpler information than DNA and think that wind and erosion created them? That wouldn’t be rational. You must be very discomforted as an atheist.
Catholics could handle anything you throw at them. Their responses reflect an eminently reasonable worldview that you should keep asking yourself, HOW IS IS THAT CATHOLICS HAVE SO MUCH OF THIS ALL FIGURED OUT?
By being part of the One, Holy, Catholic church, there is a palable connection with other Catholics. Jesus Christ.

Very nice commentary; not as didactic and as threatening as mine but it will do… But, How dare you? You might be judging someone…:clapping:

Inafunnymoodthisafternoon–mhpierce—

 

[Veritas248]

Alright, before I go:

If memory serves me correctly, it was feelings first, facts second. :yup:

I’ll come back, later. Keep the questions and comments coming.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood

Aha! There is your problem.

You think subjective feelings are a higher indicator of reality than objective facts.
You aren’t going to understand reality if you try to measure the objective with the subjective. An objective world requires an objective standard.

 

[mhpierce]

I’d still advise care, for it is terribly easy to deny oneself of a particular fault, only to find out that you were only decieving yourself.

Take me for instance. I am so terribly lazy. Physically lazy, not mentally or spiritually lazy. Now I would keep telling myself and others that I wasn’t lazy, that I did a lot of things. Eventually I realized that I was guilty not only of being physically lazy, but proud as well. I thought myself above being lazy, which made me proud. I still think myself a fool for not overcoming it sooner…:sad_yes:

So get off the couch and take a walk every day.:hammering:npatrol:

You brain seems very unlazy. Are you really a Christ-basher or just an agnostic?:twocents::

–mhpierce

 

[bradwill911]

For the Atheists who find out their faiths weren’t true, it’s not trading truth for happiness. I was pretty miserable the first month after realizing mine wasn’t the truth. I was having trouble letting go of my beloved imaginary friend, but I did it or else I probably would’ve offed myself. No doubt, there are more people who felt that way, at first.

It’s not really pride (unless you’re the Atheist who wanted to live happily ever after ). It’s just realizing that the fairy tale was just that: a fairy tale reenacted in a self-fulfilling prophecy. I know you don’t see it that way and I respect that, but that’s just how Atheists see it.

Careful with the word “delusion,” by the way. Not the best word to use for an Atheist.

“For Atheists who find out their faiths weren’t true”. Assuming you are using “faith” as a description of one’s religion, I think this is not a fair assessment. I think it should be “For Atheists who no longer believe their faiths” or “find out their faiths may not be true.”

What really changed was not the truth of your faith (meaning your religion) but your belief in that faith, unless you were talking about your personal faith in a religion.

 

[Veritas248]

If you do not understand what I am saying, then let me make it clearer for you.

Lets say you had to solve a math problem on a large test. You were taught all the facts on how to solve the problem, but you choose instead to answer the problem not using the right way, but instead by what you feel is the right answer. Do you not see the folly in this?
If feelings are not a sufficient determinant in science and math, then why should they be a sufficient determinant in religion?

 

[Veritas248]

So get off the couch and take a walk every day.:hammering:npatrol:

You brain seems very unlazy. Are you really a Christ-basher or just an agnostic?:twocents::

–mhpierce

Yeah, I’m working on it. I just don’t like physical work. I do better in the realms of the mind.

You aren’t accusing me of being an agnostic are you? I’m a devout catholic, through and through.

 

[mhpierce]

Delusion 2 a: something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b: a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary ; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs.

Sounds like a good word to be used by a deluded person or an atheis–whoops, should not do that!
—mhpierce—

 

[mhpierce]

Yeah, I’m working on it. I just don’t like physical work. I do better in the realms of the mind.

You aren’t accusing me of being an agnostic are you? I’m a devout catholic, through and through.

Nah, I just get confused and discombobulated (spelling?) as do some of the people here who are “real Atheists…”

Real Atheists may be deluded you know; we Catholics have been called ***brawinwashed ***and have been labled many other supurb words.

As a Catholic, I turn it aroung and say: "Thank God! I am thoroughly brainwashed–I would be miserable if I wasn’t!–and I would probably be a Protestant!

Sorry if I thought you were an agnostic… I forget your bio as this thread is mindboggling:bighanky:

muchmorelaughtertocomeihope
–mhpierce—

 

[Veritas248]

Nah, I just get confused and discombobulated (spelling?) as do some of the people here who are “real Atheists…”

Real Atheists may be deluded you know; we Catholics have been called ***brawinwashed ***and have been labled many other supurb words.

As a Catholic, I turn it aroung and say: "Thank God! I am thoroughly brainwashed–I would be miserable if I wasn’t!–and I would probably be a Protestant!

Sorry if I thought you were an agnostic… I forget your bio as this thread is mindboggling:bighanky:

muchmorelaughtertocomeihope
–mhpierce—

No problem, I don’t mind an honest mistake. Just as long as no one actually believes I’m an agnostic…

 

[mhpierce]

As a Catholic, I turn it aroung and say: "Thank God! I am thoroughly brainwashed–I would be miserable if I wasn’t!–and I would probably be a Protestant!

Now I am quoting myself–but I thought the above was very funny. Very funny given the context of the conversations recently…

Oh well:yawn:

–mhpierce–

 

[Veritas248]

Alas, I must be off. Ninety minutes of Chemistry await!!

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Aha! There is your problem.

You think subjective feelings are a higher indicator of reality than objective facts.
You aren’t going to understand reality if you try to measure the objective with the subjective. An objective world requires an objective standard.

:ehh: Oh, please. I probably would have been criticized if I had chosen facts over feelings.

 

[Veritas248]

:ehh: Oh, please. I probably would have been criticized if I had chosen facts over feelings.

Criticized?! Not by me…

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Criticized?! Not by me…

Sure…

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

My, well aren’t you great at advertising. Did you take classes?

Why can’t you just live and let live? Take a hint from your Bible: if there’s a problem with people, let God do the condemning. It’s supposably your obligation to spread the word, and you have. But it’s not your duty to use degradation to draw others to your faith (however that would work).

No, but I guess it must be my intelligence that throws you off.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

Very nice commentary; not as didactic and as threatening as mine but it will do… But, How dare you? You might be judging someone…:clapping:

Inafunnymoodthisafternoon–mhpierce—

 

[Snerticus]

Please, I was deceiving myself when I was a Catholic. It was a mess.

Blade, there’s no use being in a religion you don’t understand or feel. Sometimes God pushes people away so they can see the bigger picture, even if it means that bigger picture is so alien and unfamiliar to them that they get confused about why they were originally there in the first place. By reading your posts, you seem like (and these are just observations) you’re young and you’ve been exposed to things you didn’t understand and like all young people need to find out what really is going on, not what others have told you is going on. Like I would do if I were in your shoes, if you don’t understand something, stop pursuing it and either approach it from an another angle or try something else entirely.

God usually brings those people back, no matter how far they’ve gone, after a while discerning the Truth. That doesn’t mean you’ll become Catholic again (hopefully it does, but who am I to question God) there are certainly other individuals of other faiths that will reach Heaven, so pushing Catholicism in your case would just be counter productive, especially given your experiences with it in the past. Even the best intentions of people fall drastically short of the mark. And know that truth sometimes takes years or even a lifetime to find out.

Many people realize Truth only on their deathbead after a lifetime of denying it ever existed, not that I’m trying to discourage you or anything. I’m just saying that don’t lose hope that you’ll find it. If you’re earnestly looking, it may just find you.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Blade, there’s no use being in a religion you don’t understand or feel. Sometimes God pushes people away so they can see the bigger picture, even if it means that bigger picture is so alien and unfamiliar to them that they get confused about why they were originally there in the first place. By reading your posts, you seem like (and these are just observations) you’re young and you’ve been exposed to things you didn’t understand and like all young people need to find out what really is going on, not what others have told you is going on. Like I would do if I were in your shoes, if you don’t understand something, stop pursuing it and either approach it from an another angle or try something else entirely.

God usually brings those people back, no matter how far they’ve gone, after a while discerning the Truth. That doesn’t mean you’ll become Catholic again (hopefully it does, but who am I to question God) there are certainly other individuals of other faiths that will reach Heaven, so pushing Catholicism in your case would just be counter productive, especially given your experiences with it in the past. Even the best intentions of people fall drastically short of the mark. And know that truth sometimes takes years or even a lifetime to find out.

Many people realize Truth only on their deathbead after a lifetime of denying it ever existed, not that I’m trying to discourage you or anything. I’m just saying that don’t lose hope that you’ll find it. If you’re earnestly looking, it may just find you.

“I’d rather die than go to Heaven.”

~William Murderface, Metalocalypse

…That is my answer to that. (That show is so awesome. )

 

[Snerticus]

“I’d rather die than go to Heaven.”

~William Murderface, Metalocalypse

…That is my answer to that. (That show is so awesome. )

LOL, I’m not familiar with that either!

Too bad the quote doesn’t make sense, tho…