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It is a ponzi scheme, and a similar scheme put Madoff in jail. 1) Perhaps letting people choose for themselves what to do with what is supposedly their money. 2) Immigrants do not get full benefits. My understanding is that in the UK (correct me if I’m wrong) immigrants get 1/30th of a share of their equivalent program for each year they are a citizen…thus after 30 years of paying in, they would get a full share. 3) actually put money into an actual account for SS…not let politician steal it to spend it on vote buying schemes.So the solution is?
Adios social security number. :tiphat:So the solution is?
If what Denninger writes is true, clearly there isn’t one. We ought to simply buck up, acknowledge that SS is bankrupt, and get on with it.So the solution is?
No, it is possible to make SS solvent. But it would have to be completely removed from the budget and put under a politically-independent governing entity which would be charged with setting payout rates and raising the retirement age, as needed. But that is not a palatable solution, so things will just continue as-is until it all finally dies a horrible, screaming death and millions of helpless elderly folk are left without any income.If what Denninger writes is true, clearly there isn’t one. We ought to simply buck up, acknowledge that SS is bankrupt, and get on with it.
I dont think there will be millions of old folk left without any income, I think they will instead force my generation into servitude via payroll taxes until we die because the old people preferred to buy a yacht instead of having that extra child.No, it is possible to make SS solvent. But it would have to be completely removed from the budget and put under a politically-independent governing entity which would be charged with setting payout rates and raising the retirement age, as needed. But that is not a palatable solution, so things will just continue as-is until it all finally dies a horrible, screaming death and millions of helpless elderly folk are left without any income.
Anything but admit that there is a problem.
Again, if what Denninger writes is true, the combined liabilities for SS and Medicare exceed $100 trillion. There is literally not enough money in the world to pay them.No, it is possible to make SS solvent. But it would have to be completely removed from the budget and put under a politically-independent governing entity which would be charged with setting payout rates and raising the retirement age, as needed. But that is not a palatable solution, so things will just continue as-is until it all finally dies a horrible, screaming death and millions of helpless elderly folk are left without any income.
Anything but admit that there is a problem.
Well, not as instituted, but the people of the US have been willing to let the Congress dip into Social Security funds, as a source of general revenue, for decades. If we had been more responsible, and insisted that either taxes be raised or programs be cut, then we likely would not be in this situation.It is a ponzi scheme, and a similar scheme put Madoff in jail.
I am not sure what you mean by that, but clearly President Bush’s scheme of putting Social Security funds into stock market funds controlled by individuals would have been disastrous given the collapse of the stock market in the US. As it were, many retirees saw their retirement investments dwindle to half their worth, or less. If Social Security benefits had also decreased by a similar amount, the US would be seeing a lot of destitute retirees. I think there is something to be said for a guarantee of income in one’s final years.(1) Perhaps letting people choose for themselves what to do with what is supposedly their money.
In the US, immigrants only get benefits if they pay into the Social Security system, and then, only to the extent that they meet the same requirements of citizens. For example, a person only qualifies for Social Security if they have worked full time for at least 10 years. The amount that a person then draws depends on how much they contributed.
- Immigrants do not get full benefits.
I don’t know who this “we” is that you refer to. But I have not been willin to do anything nor have I been the one irresponsible with my money that gets taken from me against my will. That’s the problem with liberals, people who want to live life a certain way cant because they got people tellin em how they want them to live it.Well, not as instituted, but the people of the US have been willing to let the Congress dip into Social Security funds, as a source of general revenue, for decades. If we had been more responsible, and insisted that either taxes be raised or programs be cut, then we likely would not be in this situation.
Bbarrick, I am not sure who your congressional representatives are, so I can’t determine whether or not they have been willing to be fiscally responsible. However, I have noticed that many US citizens are quite happy to have their representatives bring home the pork, yet at the same time decry federal spending. In fact, many of the congressional representatives have done exactly the same: denounce federal spending and yet cut earmarks for their district or state in multiple pieces of legislation.I don’t know who this “we” is that you refer to. But I have not been willin to do anything nor have I been the one irresponsible with my money that gets taken from me against my will. That’s the problem with liberals, people who want to live life a certain way cant because they got people tellin em how they want them to live it.
What social security funds?Well, not as instituted, but the people of the US have been willing to let the Congress dip into Social Security funds, as a source of general revenue, for decades. If we had been more responsible, and insisted that either taxes be raised or programs be cut, then we likely would not be in this situation.
Yes, but that means we have to reduce the liabilities. SS could be viable as an insurance scheme, but not as a transfer scheme (which is what we have now). The people who created it thought that a transfer scheme would work because the population would be constantly increasing. Now that we know that to not be the case, we should retool accordingly.Again, if what Denninger writes is true, the combined liabilities for SS and Medicare exceed $100 trillion. There is literally not enough money in the world to pay them.
Don’t feel sorry for them because that is the conservative plan. They love poverty. They love social policies and putting people a burden on our budgets just as much as liberals. I am convinced of this.I think the solution is to simply cash in the treasury bonds as needed. New bonds may have to be issued to cover them, and paid back from the general fund, and it will probably suck, but we obviously can’t let millions of seniors fall into poverty.
If that’s not obvious, I feel sorry for you![]()
If SS liabilities are as large as I’ve heard, there is literally not enough money in the world to cover them by cashing in IOUs. SS debt will simply have to be forgiven, and alternate methods of caring for the elderly (perhaps through charity and the intervention of local religious and aid groups) will have to be discovered.I think the solution is to simply cash in the treasury bonds as needed. New bonds may have to be issued to cover them, and paid back from the general fund, and it will probably suck, but we obviously can’t let millions of seniors fall into poverty.
If that’s not obvious, I feel sorry for you![]()