attending a non-catholic church for convienance?

  • Thread starter Thread starter rooney
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Just what is a “sunday obligation” ?
We are required (obligated) to attend Mass on every Sunday of the year, and on every Holy Day of Obligation (required days that happen to fall on days other than Sunday, such as Christmas Day, the eighth day after Christmas (January 1), All Saints’ Day (November 1) and others).
 
Oddly enough the Holy Spirit still works through these Christians, and very strongly at times. He very often convicts people of Christ through these non-Catholic Christians. I still haven’t met any Catholic priest (or Protestant pastor), with the foresight and wisdom of my original Protestant pastor. He was outstanding in the area of wisdom and prophecy. Although I admit Bishop Fulton Sheen may have been his Catholic equal, based on a couple of his books and the single DVD I have of one of his retreats. As far as I know he never took the eucharist once in the full sense of the word, yet God certainly worked through him.

Therefore they have the right to be called Christians, and that means we hold Christ in common. I see no conflict with someone going to an Anglican or Baptist church (or even Presbyterian, and I’ve got very good personal reasons to feel cynical about some Presbyterians), if need be, without taking communion.

In fact I think some traditional Catholics could learn a thing or three from some of the better Protestant pastors.
Excellent post…I would love being able to fellowship with you brother…
 
I am not “bashing” - I am pointing out the historical facts of the case.

Do you believe that King Edward VI did not fully intend to break you away from the Apostolic Succession, so as to establish a “spiritual” form of Christianity? 🤷
🙂 This has been talked about in many threads by Anglican wiser than I, so I won’t try to “reinvent the wheel” by rehashing what they said. My only reply is this: no offense, but only Catholics say that England did not intend to maintain Succession. And then, it’s only certain Catholics; it is by no means a unanimous belief (even if it’s “supposed to be” unanimous). Regardless of what one thinks of King Edward VI and the utterly ridiculous charges about that Ordination language, his situation certainly has no bearing on our Orders today. We maintained Succession, and we also have Polish National Catholic bishops as recent consecrators. As a Catholic, I understand that you are required to believe that our Orders are bogus. As an Anglican, we most certainly don’t agree with that, and it can get quite tiresome and hurtful to have to put up with such absurd claims all the time. As I was nearly ordained as a priest myself, I have studied and researched this matter quite carefully. There’s nothing you can say that will change my/our minds, and perhaps we can lay the Edward VI shell game to rest now. :rolleyes:
 
We are required (obligated) to attend Mass on every Sunday of the year, and on every Holy Day of Obligation (required days that happen to fall on days other than Sunday, such as Christmas Day, the eighth day after Christmas (January 1), All Saints’ Day (November 1) and others).
That interesting…I can see where people would go just to fulfill it yet have a heart far from Christ…My wife and I attend our church because we want to be with our bothers and sisters in Christ and to minister to one another…And be taught from the word…I have many times in the past skipped a service to help someone move or do a house or car repair…Never felt any conviction from the Holy Spirit that I was doing wrong…I actually seen God’'s hand in the situation and an opportunity to minister in Christ’s name…Scriptures tell us not to forsake assembly, but it’s not in a legalistic way where we can’t break a routine or it’s a sin…peace to you…
 
Why? I know they believe their Communion is the Body and Blood too and you don’t. But TEC Communion is open to all baptized in the manner of the Trinity. No one is going to be holding a gun to anyone’s head if they receive even if they don’t believe TEC Communion is the Body and Blood. If you feel so called to receive, so be it. 🤷 That is one of the Christ-like aspects of TEC. Christ said He turns no one away.
JL: I would just eat a cracker and a sip of wine at home and pretend I took communion same difference.
 
That interesting…I can see where people would go just to fulfill it yet have a heart far from Christ.
Those whose hearts are far from Christ also don’t usually take His Church all that seriously, either, so there is very little “danger” of a Catholic Mass being “contaminated” by the presence of an unbeliever, unless they are present of their own free will, out of curiosity. 😉
 
Those whose hearts are far from Christ also don’t usually take His Church all that seriously, either, so there is very little “danger” of a Catholic Mass being “contaminated” by the presence of an unbeliever, unless they are present of their own free will, out of curiosity. 😉
It’s not the unbelievers that are luke warm … That have a form of religion yet deny it’s power…The body of Christ has many in it’s midst…I’ve read many priest’s/pastors ect. who deny the validity of the sacred scriptures…
 
It’s not the unbelievers that are luke warm … That have a form of religion yet deny it’s power…The body of Christ has many in it’s midst…I’ve read many priest’s/pastors ect. who deny the validity of the sacred scriptures…
I don’t see why they shouldn’t be required to go to Mass. The Mass is the ultimate source of grace, and surely, those who are lukewarm are the ones most in need of that grace. Even if they resist the grace, it can do them no harm to come to Mass. 🙂
 
I don’t see why they shouldn’t be required to go to Mass. The Mass is the ultimate source of grace, and surely, those who are lukewarm are the ones most in need of that grace. Even if they resist the grace, it can do them no harm to come to Mass. 🙂
It not about the going, it’s the “rule” part…The Holy Spirit is who does the drawing…Like baptism…You can go through the motions and still be an unrepentant sinner afterward…Just like in the scriptures with feast days, if you feel you must go then go…Another honors the day as if it’s just another day…Conversion of the heart is what the Holy Spirit draws us too…The inner change draws us to Christ…
 
That interesting…I can see where people would go just to fulfill it yet have a heart far from Christ…My wife and I attend our church because we want to be with our bothers and sisters in Christ and to minister to one another…And be taught from the word…I have many times in the past skipped a service to help someone move or do a house or car repair…Never felt any conviction from the Holy Spirit that I was doing wrong…I actually seen God’'s hand in the situation and an opportunity to minister in Christ’s name…Scriptures tell us not to forsake assembly, but it’s not in a legalistic way where we can’t break a routine or it’s a sin…peace to you…
Doing good works outside of Mass on the Lord’s Day is to be commended and encouraged; but it does not take the place of going to Mass; for a Catholic. Obviously we understand that for you it is of no consequence.
 
It not about the going, it’s the “rule” part…The Holy Spirit is who does the drawing…Like baptism…You can go through the motions and still be an unrepentant sinner afterward…Just like in the scriptures with feast days, if you feel you must go then go…Another honors the day as if it’s just another day…Conversion of the heart is what the Holy Spirit draws us too…The inner change draws us to Christ…
Conversion of the heart doesn’t happen in a vacuum. If a person never exposes himself to the Sacraments or to the life of the Church, how will he ever be converted? Yes, ultimately, the requirement to go should transform itself into a desire to go, but in the meantime, people still need to go, in order to receive the faith that will transform law into grace.

As St. Paul said, faith comes by hearing, but how will there be hearing, without preaching? For without the preaching, there can be no hearing. (And without coming to hear the preaching, there also can be no hearing.)
 
We are required (obligated) to attend Mass on every Sunday of the year, and on every Holy Day of Obligation (required days that happen to fall on days other than Sunday, such as Christmas Day, the eighth day after Christmas (January 1), All Saints’ Day (November 1) and others).
just for clarification for the curious. Holidays of Obligation vary from country to country as the Bishops Conference of each country would state which holidays from the list the Vatican has would be observed in their country. the other Holidays are then dispensed

example, here in Canada, Catholics are only required to go to Christmas and January 1st, other that Sundays (which would include Easter)

in the Philippines, December 8 (Immaculate Conception) is included

i’m not sure what are the Holidays of Obligation for the US
 
Conversion of the heart doesn’t happen in a vacuum. If a person never exposes himself to the Sacraments or to the life of the Church, how will he ever be converted? Yes, ultimately, the requirement to go should transform itself into a desire to go, but in the meantime, people still need to go, in order to receive the faith that will transform law into grace.
As St. Paul said, faith comes by hearing, but how will there be hearing, without preaching? For without the preaching, there can be no hearing. (And without coming to hear the preaching, there also can be no hearing.)
I know plenty who were doing there own thing when the Holy Spirit got a hold of them…Peter’s first sermon added 3,000 to the church in one day…How glad are the feet of those who bring the good news to others(you and I)…The Holy Spirit works in and outside the church…Even used a cute blonde with a chick tract with bible verses to get my attention…I bet you will be surprised in heaven of all those who came to Christ outside a church setting…
 
i’m not sure what are the Holidays of Obligation for the US
In addition to Sunday, the days to be observed as holy days of obligation in the Latin Rite dioceses of the United States of America, in conformity with canon 1246, are as follows:

January 1, the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God;
Thursday of the Sixth Week of Easter, the solemnity of the Ascension;
August 15, the solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary;
November 1, the solemnity of All Saints;
December 8, the solemnity of the Immaculate Conception;
December 25, the solemnity of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Whenever January 1, the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God, or August 15, the solemnity of the Assumption, or November 1, the solemnity of All Saints, falls on a Saturday or on a Monday, the precept to attend Mass is abrogated.
 
I know plenty who were doing there own thing when the Holy Spirit got a hold of them…Peter’s first sermon added 3,000 to the church in one day.
He was the Pope, and he was preaching a Christian sermon. 🙂
How glad are the feet of those who bring the good news to others(you and I)…The Holy Spirit works in and outside the church.
Outside the building, yes, but not outside the Church. You and I are the Church. 🙂
 
He was the Pope, and he was preaching a Christian sermon. 🙂

Outside the building, yes, but not outside the Church. You and I are the Church. 🙂
Se we can agree, we are salt and light to this world…The more flesh that dies in our lives the more Christ can shine though…The Holy Spirit loves to set up divine appointments when we shine as Christ would have i=us in this sin sick world…Peace of Christ to you…
 
Se we can agree, we are salt and light to this world…The more flesh that dies in our lives the more Christ can shine though…The Holy Spirit loves to set up divine appointments when we shine as Christ would have i=us in this sin sick world…Peace of Christ to you…
🙂

I’m sure you would also agree that obedience to those whom God has set up over us in authority is the first step in breaking our self-will and conforming ourselves to the obedience of Christ on the Cross.
 
In addition to Sunday, the days to be observed as holy days of obligation in the Latin Rite dioceses of the United States of America, in conformity with canon 1246, are as follows:

January 1, the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God;
Thursday of the Sixth Week of Easter, the solemnity of the Ascension;
August 15, the solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary;
November 1, the solemnity of All Saints;
December 8, the solemnity of the Immaculate Conception;
December 25, the solemnity of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Whenever January 1, the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God, or August 15, the solemnity of the Assumption, or November 1, the solemnity of All Saints, falls on a Saturday or on a Monday, the precept to attend Mass is abrogated.
wow, thats a lot
i find it hard to get to masses here in North America because there’s not as many masses as there are back in the Philippines, because of the population of Catholics back there

i go to mass on Ash Wednesdays as well. Good Friday service is easy to go to as it is a national (statutory) holiday here in Canada. so no work to get in the way
 
just for clarification for the curious. Holidays of Obligation vary from country to country as the Bishops Conference of each country would state which holidays from the list the Vatican has would be observed in their country. the other Holidays are then dispensed

example, here in Canada, Catholics are only required to go to Christmas and January 1st, other that Sundays (which would include Easter)

in the Philippines, December 8 (Immaculate Conception) is included

i’m not sure what are the Holidays of Obligation for the US
One of my problems with the Church. All Catholics are not obligated to do the same things to obey in order to avoid mortal sin. It depends in part on where you live.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top