Ordinary Form/Novus Order is nothing more than Potato/Potato IMO. Same with Tridentine/Extrodinary Form. Yes the OF/EF is the more recent naming, but they’re clearly referring to the same thing with regard to the Roman Rite (at least when talking about use inside the Catholic Church and/or groups in union with Rome).
No, you’re definitely not missing something in what I said. You’ve correctly pointed out that I had a senior moment in that post!
In any case, my point was that the Sanctus Bells (Goodness, how could I forget that they’re rung during the part of the Mass for which they’re named!) are essentially the only external cues one has in the Missa Lecta to gauge where you’re at unless you’re close enough to really pay attention to what the priest is doing or saying.The only other cue, at least during the Canon, would be the “Nobis quoque peccatoribus”, which is said in a slightly elevated tone.No, you’re definitely not missing something in what I said. You’ve correctly pointed out that I had a senior moment in that post!
I was, I posted an update a ways back. Basically I found it to be interesting, but honestly harder to follow than I expected and I did end up a little lost. For me coming from a Novus Ordo and then Episcopal Rite II background, the Missa Lecta form of the Tridentine Rite was somewhat more “spectator” experience for lack of a better term. It felt less like I was participating in the mass/worship than it did that I was observing the priest worship. As mentioned earlier even the gospel was in Latin.
There is one peculiarity unique to the High Mass that may throw you for a loop:
I really wish someone had warned me about this before my first Missa Cantata (second E.F. Mass ever). I was preparing myself for that genuflection during the Creed at “Et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria Virgine et Homo factus est.” which never came since Father (and the entire church for that matter) genuflected while the choir sang “Deum de Deo, Lumen de Lumine”. Father finished the entire creed and sat down before the choir ever got to “Et incarnatus est…” I actually mused to myself "Gee, the E.F. must be so confusing that even priests get lost from time to time.
Sorry, I completely overlooked your original update. I’m glad you were able to go.
Since the priest is reciting the Credo in a low voice while the choir is singing, he finishes well before the singing is over. As you noted, he genuflected at his “incarnatus est” while the choir and congregation were still at “lumen de lumine”. This is typical, as he is speaking the creed at a much quicker rate than it is being sung. Where you experience differs from my typical experience at the TLM is what happened next. In all my experiences, the priest, after finishing his Credo, descends the steps (this usually occurs right around the time the choir is singing “per quem omnia facta sunt”) and, facing the altar, genuflects again as the choir at last sings the “incarnatus est”. Only after this does he return to his chair. Typically, the congregation only makes this one genuflection. The only time when I have seen it happen where there majority of the congregation genuflected with the priest’s Credo instead of the choir’s was at a Solemn High Mass with an unfamiliar polyphonic Credo.I really wish someone had warned me about this before my first Missa Cantata (second E.F. Mass ever). I was preparing myself for that genuflection during the Creed at “Et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria Virgine et Homo factus est.” which never came since Father (and the entire church for that matter) genuflected while the choir sang “Deum de Deo, Lumen de Lumine”. Father finished the entire creed and sat down before the choir ever got to “Et incarnatus est…” I actually mused to myself "Gee, the E.F. must be so confusing that even priests get lost from time to time.
This is odd. Normally when the priest reaches the “et incarnatus” during his own recital, only he, the ministers and servers genuflect while the rest of the congregation remains standing, genuflecting only when the choir reaches its own “et incarnatus”.There is one peculiarity unique to the High Mass that may throw you for a loop:
I really wish someone had warned me about this before my first Missa Cantata (second E.F. Mass ever). I was preparing myself for that genuflection during the Creed at “Et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria Virgine et Homo factus est.” which never came since Father (and the entire church for that matter) genuflected while the choir sang “Deum de Deo, Lumen de Lumine”. Father finished the entire creed and sat down before the choir ever got to “Et incarnatus est…” I actually mused to myself "Gee, the E.F. must be so confusing that even priests get lost from time to time.
Are you questioning why the priest sits down while letting the choir finish their singing?
No. That happens all the time.