Attending an Anglican bible study

[catharina]

You must cease and desist, gurney. Thou hath sufficiently been rebuked by the Matthew 16:18 reference.

I will hope, most sincerely, that you mocking only me.
I will hope, most sincerely, that you are NOT mocking the words of Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[TriuneUnity]

When the Pope so proclaims, then I accept.
He is the appointed leader, sitting in Peter’s chair.
I have no desire to appoint myself to the position of leader.

You just don’t accept that he, or any other Catholic, can gain Scriptural insights from Protestants, since de facto, they will always contradict Catholicism.

 

[catharina]

You just don’t accept that he, or any other Catholic, can gain Scriptural insights from Protestants, since de facto, they will always contradict Catholicism.

Yet I’ve already stated that I DO accept that.
Did you get lost among posts?

Or are you now referring the the OP rather than the Holy Father?
If the OP, then yes, I believe he puts himself in harm’s way by attempting to study
Catholic teachings regarding the Bible in an Anglican group. That is simple logic!

 

[TriuneUnity]

Yet I’ve already stated that I DO accept that.
Did you get lost among posts?

You made the following statement, “Hanging out with ‘other Christians’ to discuss God’s Word does NOT include allowing their churches to teach one Scripture. The contradiction would speak for itself,” and, “Catholics do not “learn” from teachers who have abandoned the Catholic Faith, even when the abandonment is one of historical tradition.”

So clearly, you don’t accept that. However, you glaringly ignore the fact that Catholics have learned from other teachers outside the Catholic faith. Like the Pope, for example.

 

[catharina]

You made the following statement, “Hanging out with ‘other Christians’ to discuss God’s Word does NOT include allowing their churches to teach one Scripture. The contradiction would speak for itself,” and, “Catholics do not “learn” from teachers who have abandoned the Catholic Faith, even when the abandonment is one of historical tradition.”

So clearly, you don’t accept that. However, you glaringly ignore the fact that Catholics have learned from other teachers outside the Catholic faith. Like the Pope, for example.

Re-read Post # 33. OK - guess you NEED to have it repeated.

Can we rocgnize outpourings of Truth, thanks to the holy Spirit, among other Christians?
Yes. We (Catholics) can recognize it, praise it and give thanks for it.
Yet we can NOT pretend that Christian denominations hold the fullness of Truth.
They do not and can not hold the fullness of Truth.
We can praise the fact that, on occasion, their teachers might be on target.
However we can not, will not, and do not depend on them to teach us.

They exist as Christian denominations. They do not exist as teachers of Catholicism.

You are clearly lacking in understanding as to the fact that Pope Benedict XVI and I
hold identical beliefs about the fullness of Truth in Catholicism.

We can and do rejoice if/when certain truth comes to light through a certain Protestant.
That’s it. The buck stops there, the train stops there, the relevance stops there.

Hope you can grasp that fact this time around.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

And your interpretation of that sublime scriptural reference is that Peter was the rock, the person of Peter. Several Early Fathers believed it was the CONFESSION that Peter made, not Peter himself, who was the rock. The Orthodox believe this. Many of the Fathers believe this. You and the Pope agree it is the pope.

I respect your view. You’re welcome to it. The Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, Oriental Orthodox, etc. do not share your view. They are all left out of your ecumenical vision. An argument in favor of papal supremacy, primacy, and infallibility needs more than Matthew 16:18…

… and they would be wrong.

It is JESUS Who said:

“Upon this rock I shall build My Church and the forces of hell shall not prevail against it.”

Those who thought “to save” the Church by deserting the Church were dead wrong.
They became a contradiction to the promise of Christ our Lord.

 

[TriuneUnity]

Re-read Post # 33. OK - guess you NEED to have it repeated.

Can we rocgnize outpourings of Truth, thanks to the holy Spirit, among other Christians?
Yes. We (Catholics) can recognize it, praise it and give thanks for it.
Yet we can NOT pretend that Christian denominations hold the fullness of Truth.
They do not and can not hold the fullness of Truth.
We can praise the fact that, on occasion, their teachers might be on target.
However we can not, will not, and do not depend on them to teach us.

They exist as Christian denominations. They do not exist as teachers of Catholicism.

You are clearly lacking in understanding as to the fact that Pope Benedict XVI and I
hold identical beliefs about the fullness of Truth in Catholicism.

We can and do rejoice if/when certain truth comes to light through a certain Protestant.
That’s it. The buck stops there, the train stops there, the relevance stops there.

Hope you can grasp that fact this time around.

You are the one who made the statement that Catholics cannot learn Scripture from Protestant teachers. You then re-post this, above, in order to deny that you stated Catholics cannot learn Scripture from Protestant teachers.

The fact that you contradicted your earlier statement a few posts later, does not change the fact that you posted the original statement. What does, “Catholics do not “learn” from Protestant teachers” mean if it doesn’t mean that Catholics cannot learn from Protestant teachers?

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Catharina, you are being terribly uncharitable implying Triune is a boob and a nincompoop as well as a deafmute. He is neither of the three. He understood you the first time, disagreed with you. Saying you hope he can “grasp it this time around” implies he’s an idiot. Can we all agree that we’re bright, educated people in here who can have a respectful discourse without the high school antics? Honestly, as a sixth grade teacher, this is the stuff I hear on my playground. I don’t put up with it at school, definitely it shouldn’t be spoken in a Catholic forum by a Catholic.

Re-read Post # 33. OK - guess you NEED to have it repeated.

Can we rocgnize outpourings of Truth, thanks to the holy Spirit, among other Christians?
Yes. We (Catholics) can recognize it, praise it and give thanks for it.
Yet we can NOT pretend that Christian denominations hold the fullness of Truth.
They do not and can not hold the fullness of Truth.
We can praise the fact that, on occasion, their teachers might be on target.
However we can not, will not, and do not depend on them to teach us.

They exist as Christian denominations. They do not exist as teachers of Catholicism.

You are clearly lacking in understanding as to the fact that Pope Benedict XVI and I
hold identical beliefs about the fullness of Truth in Catholicism.

We can and do rejoice if/when certain truth comes to light through a certain Protestant.
That’s it. The buck stops there, the train stops there, the relevance stops there.

Hope you can grasp that fact this time around.

 

[catharina]

You are the one who made the statement that Catholics cannot learn Scripture from Protestant teachers. You then re-post this, above, in order to deny that you stated Catholics cannot learn Scripture from Protestant teachers.

The fact that you contradicted your earlier statement a few posts later, does not change the fact that you posted the original statement. What does, “Catholics do not “learn” from Protestant teachers” mean if it doesn’t mean that Catholics cannot learn from Protestant teachers?

OK, pal.
I mean this.

Catholics who want to learn more about their FAITH, their Catholic faith, including Bible Study, do NOT do so by joing in with Protestant groups. It’s A-B-C, 1-2-3. I’ll guess that most Anglicans do not not encourage other Anglicans to learn more about the Anglican denomination by joining a Catholic study group. Do they?

Is the Pope an exception to the rule? Of course. He’s the primary teacher. He can and should observe ALL Christian teachings if/when he so desires - to see if any teacher has hit upon a revealed truth of the Catholic Church. NOT rocket science. Simple logic.

 

[catharina]

And your interpretation of that sublime scriptural reference is that Peter was the rock, the person of Peter. Several Early Fathers believed it was the CONFESSION that Peter made, not Peter himself, who was the rock. The Orthodox believe this. Many of the Fathers believe this. You and the Pope agree it is the pope.

I respect your view. You’re welcome to it. The Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, Oriental Orthodox, etc. do not share your view. They are all left out of your ecumenical vision. An argument in favor of papal supremacy, primacy, and infallibility needs more than Matthew 16:18…

What others believe is what others believe.
What I believe is Catholic Teaching.

Ecumenism includes all who hold onto Christianity.
That is also a teaching of the Catholic Church.

Study up.

 

[TriuneUnity]

OK, pal.
I mean this.

Catholics who want to learn more about their FAITH, their Catholic faith, including Bible Study, do NOT do so by joing in with Protestant groups. It’s A-B-C, 1-2-3. I’ll guess that most Anglicans do not not encourage other Anglicans to learn more about the Anglican denomination by joining a Catholic study group. Do they?

Is the Pope an exception to the rule? Of course. He’s the primary teacher. He can and should observe ALL Christian teachings if/when he so desires - to see if any teacher has hit upon a revealed truth of the Catholic Church. NOT rocket science. Simple logic.

And exactly where did the OP ever say that the Bible study was on the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church?? The Anglican Bible study, according to the OP, is on the book of Romans. He wanted to know, since this particular parish leans Anglo-Catholic, if the teachings of NT Wright would be coinherent with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. Where in the entirety of the last two pages did you ever mention anything about an Anglican Bible study geared toward catechizing the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church?

 

[catharina]

I see. So, then, you would scold Pope Benedict for his insights regarding the genius of the Lutheran understanding of Scripture? Would you scold him for attending an ecumenical service at Westminster Abbey when he visits England later this year? It seems he doesn’t have the same view of ‘other Christians’ that you, who claim him to be the successor of Peter, seem to share in your triumphalistic attitude. For that, Christendom, I am sure, is much better off.

**Catharina, you are being terribly uncharitable implying Triune is a boob and a nincompoop as well as a deafmute. He is neither of the three. He understood you the first time, disagreed with you. Saying you hope he can “grasp it this time around” implies he’s an idiot. Can we all agree that we’re bright, educated people in here who can have a respectful discourse without the high school antics? **Honestly, as a sixth grade teacher, this is the stuff I hear on my playground. I don’t put up with it at school, definitely it shouldn’t be spoken in a Catholic forum by a Catholic.

Let’s see - for your convenience I include the post of Triune that is much less than kind.
For your edification - it doesn’t make me think he is a boob or a nincompoop.
It does make me think he is needlessly sarcastic and possibly irreverent.

I have the distinct impression that he does NOT WANT to understand my words.
That is, IMO, his loss, not mine.

Is he a nincompoop? a boob? Why do you suggest that?
If it’s true, I hadn’t noticed. Why do YOU mention it?

Thanks for assuming I’m being uncharitable, I guess.
Now you might want to address your “friend.”

 

[catharina]

And exactly where did the OP ever say that the Bible study was on the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church?? The Anglican Bible study, according to the OP, is on the book of Romans. He wanted to know, since this particular parish leans Anglo-Catholic, if the teachings of NT Wright would be coinherent with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. Where in the entirety of the last two pages did you ever mention anything about an Anglican Bible study geared toward catechizing the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church?

Hi again. An Anglican Bible study, by definition, teaches from an Anglican point of view.
Why would a Catholic ever think/pretend such study would help him in his Catholic faith?
I have no idea.

 

[TriuneUnity]

Hi again. An Anglican Bible study, by defintion, teaches from an Anglican point of view.
Why would a Catholic ever /thinkpretend such study would help him in his Catholic faith?
I have no idea.

I don’t think the OP is going there in order to have the Anglicans edify his Catholic beliefs, but since the Bible study is on the book of Romans, why wouldn’t he learn anything from it?

 

[GKC]

Hi again. An Anglican Bible study, by defintion, teaches from an Anglican point of view.
Why would a Catholic ever /thinkpretend such study would help him in his Catholic faith?
I have no idea.

By revealing where, in the RC view, the Anglican view is incorrect, perhaps. All knowledge is useful, for one thing or another.

GKC

 

[catharina]

I don’t think the OP is going there in order to have the Anglicans edify his Catholic beliefs, but since the Bible study is on the book of Romans, why wouldn’t he learn anything from it?

The Bible is interpreted in various ways by various denominations.
Would I take such a chance with my Faith? Never.
I hold to Catholic Teaching, not denominational teachings.

As your volunteer defense-man gurneyhalleck1 said to me regarding Matthew 16:  
"*And your interpretation of that sublime scriptural reference is that Peter was the rock, the person of Peter. Several Early Fathers believed it was the CONFESSION that Peter made, not Peter himself, who was the rock. The Orthodox believe this. Many of the Fathers believe this. You and the Pope agree it is the pope.

I respect your view. You're welcome to it. The Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, Oriental Orthodox, etc. do not share your view. ...."*

Would I expect a Catholic point of reference from an Anglican group re any teaching?
No.
Would you?

 

[TriuneUnity]

The Bible is interpreted in various ways by various denominations.
Would I take such a chance with my Faith? Never.
I hold to Catholic Teaching, not denominational teachings.

So…Catholics can’t learn anything about Scripture from Protestant teachers?

 

[catharina]

By revealing where, in the RC view, the Anglican view is incorrect, perhaps. All knowledge is useful, for one thing or another.

GKC

It is this simple.
The Anglican practice grew out of Henry VIII’s break from Rome.
There is nothing more that I need say about it.

 

[catharina]

So…Catholics can’t learn anything about Scripture from Protestant teachers?

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: Do you ABSORB new data???

The Holy Father made mention of one Protestant teaching.
I can (and do ) learn from the Holy Father, as I should since he leads the Catholic Church.

Am I expected to wade through the endless contradictions & claims of the denominations?
No. I am not expected to do that - unless I’m studying Comparative Religions in a Theology program at a Catholic university. When I was able to do so, I studied it then.
Not now and not with an expectation of learning great new “truth.”

 

[catharina]

Now I shall depart form this thread since I refuse to answer the same identical question
again and again and again, etc…

Tomorrow is Mother’s Day and I hope to rest before the family’s celebration.