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Theo2
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exnihilo
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And a good moral rule.
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SeriousQuestion
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You aren’t obliged to obey.
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Kris34
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What is interesting is divorce is certainly allowed under Jewish law. A man must marry his brothers widow if he dies childless and go through a demeaning ceremony if he refuses her. And she can’t remarry until that ceremony is done anyone else. But if he doesn’t die he can’t? And then of course God threw all those rules out three years later. Jewish law didn’t matter. Circumcism no longer required for gentile converts. The food laws gone. At least they divorced first. David almost got Bathsheba killed. She didn’t really have choice.
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ShowersofRoses
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Has anyone here ever watched the movie Jesus of Nazareth?
Remember the scene when Jesus goes to Matthew’s home where they’re really having a real good time, living it up?
They’re shocked and honored that Jesus comes into his house. They don’t keep partying…they immediately stopped and listened to what the Rabbi had to say. He told them the story of the Prodigal Son and Matthew is moved to tears and starts following Jesus. It’s a beautiful part of the film.
No God-fearing Jew would ever go into a sinner’s home in the OT. The fact that Jesus did so was shocking. His disciples tried to stop Him, fearing He would be unclean. Jesus’ love for ALL men illustrated how God wants everyone, even those in obvious sin, to come to Him.
Jesus couldn’t have gone to a same-sex celebration…it wouldn’t have been allowed. But he went to Matthew’s home with the harlots and sinners and said that even here, in this place, I am God, and I am calling you to something better. They knew He wasn’t condoning what they were doing…but He was reaching out to people who were absolutely, consistently shunned from normal society, people who thought they had no chance of Heaven.
We’re not Jesus, so it’s up to our consciences to decide if we would go to this wedding party or not. But whatever we would decide, I hope we would remember to do it with love and charity, and remember how Jesus reached out to those that everyone else thought were beyond redemption.
Remember the scene when Jesus goes to Matthew’s home where they’re really having a real good time, living it up?
They’re shocked and honored that Jesus comes into his house. They don’t keep partying…they immediately stopped and listened to what the Rabbi had to say. He told them the story of the Prodigal Son and Matthew is moved to tears and starts following Jesus. It’s a beautiful part of the film.
No God-fearing Jew would ever go into a sinner’s home in the OT. The fact that Jesus did so was shocking. His disciples tried to stop Him, fearing He would be unclean. Jesus’ love for ALL men illustrated how God wants everyone, even those in obvious sin, to come to Him.
Jesus couldn’t have gone to a same-sex celebration…it wouldn’t have been allowed. But he went to Matthew’s home with the harlots and sinners and said that even here, in this place, I am God, and I am calling you to something better. They knew He wasn’t condoning what they were doing…but He was reaching out to people who were absolutely, consistently shunned from normal society, people who thought they had no chance of Heaven.
We’re not Jesus, so it’s up to our consciences to decide if we would go to this wedding party or not. But whatever we would decide, I hope we would remember to do it with love and charity, and remember how Jesus reached out to those that everyone else thought were beyond redemption.
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I guess going depends on the intention of Runman.
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PetraG
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This is a difficult question, because while it is wrong to approve of gay marriage it is also wrong to shun people who are homosexuals. It is likely that you are dealing with some very confused men who believe what they’re doing is OK. The evil one has many deceived on this point, to the point that some otherwise-decent people will revile those who will not accept these unions as legitimate.
Having said that, if the hosts are calling this a reception, it is about celebrating their marriage. People turn down wedding invitations all the time. It would be rude to go to a reception and pointedly avoid celebrating the whole reason for the party, which I get this feeling you would feel a need to do. It is not automatically rude to fail to go to a wedding, particularly if you are not (as the OP’s father is) so close to one of the hosts that it is impossible to decline without hurting his feelings.
In your place, I would tell my dad that I have elected not to go. You do not have to give a reason; if your dad asks, I would say, “I think it would be better if you can tell him I didn’t say. Just tell him I said, ‘hello.’”
This is an old friend of your father’s, so his absence would be another matter. Allow him to make his own decision regarding how to find the social path that both avoids endorsement of an immoral social construct and avoids the covert aggression that is felt by someone is shunned. You, however, could bow out of this reception even if this friend of your father’s had entered into a valid marriage, because you are nowhere near so close to either of the hosts. You are very conflicted about how you would handle this event. I would say that you’re better off finding a more pressing social engagement.
Stick with your guns on making your own decision and avoid judging how your parents make theirs, though. This is not an easy question.
Having said that, if the hosts are calling this a reception, it is about celebrating their marriage. People turn down wedding invitations all the time. It would be rude to go to a reception and pointedly avoid celebrating the whole reason for the party, which I get this feeling you would feel a need to do. It is not automatically rude to fail to go to a wedding, particularly if you are not (as the OP’s father is) so close to one of the hosts that it is impossible to decline without hurting his feelings.
In your place, I would tell my dad that I have elected not to go. You do not have to give a reason; if your dad asks, I would say, “I think it would be better if you can tell him I didn’t say. Just tell him I said, ‘hello.’”
This is an old friend of your father’s, so his absence would be another matter. Allow him to make his own decision regarding how to find the social path that both avoids endorsement of an immoral social construct and avoids the covert aggression that is felt by someone is shunned. You, however, could bow out of this reception even if this friend of your father’s had entered into a valid marriage, because you are nowhere near so close to either of the hosts. You are very conflicted about how you would handle this event. I would say that you’re better off finding a more pressing social engagement.
Stick with your guns on making your own decision and avoid judging how your parents make theirs, though. This is not an easy question.
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anon10271182
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Or simply stay home and pray the Rosary and the Divine Office. Intentions for the homosexual couple in question.
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Dca2018
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What if your gay friend had, the day before, broken ties with you because he had become aware of whatever sins you commit (and we are all sinners). You would think he was a jerk, wouldnt you?
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SeriousQuestion
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The reason was not because of the sin, but because of the way he reacted when she talked about her religion and vocation. She figured that they didn’t have anything in common and drifted away. She explained this in a later post that you missed or something.
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Dlee
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And this is my point. Those who say they cut all same-sex, whatever group out of their lives are not following Christ’s teaching to “go ye into all the world and preach the gospel…” We are to “let our lights shine before all men” and not “hide our light under a bushel basket.”Jesus couldn’t have gone to a same-sex celebration…it wouldn’t have been allowed. But he went to Matthew’s home with the harlots and sinners and said that even here, in this place, I am God, and I am calling you to something better. They knew He wasn’t condoning what they were doing…but He was reaching out to people who were absolutely, consistently shunned from normal society, people who thought they had no chance of Heaven.
In my former Baptist faith, we did not believe there were degrees of sin - one sin was as serious as the other. In many ways, I still look at sin this way. I know this is not the teaching of the Catholic Church and I now accept the CC teaching. We are all sinners and thankfully we were not deemed as too sinful to be associated with.
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Lara
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Yes, but Jesus also said, “And whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake off the dust of your feet." Matthew 10: 14
I see most gays and lesbians as hostile to any message that contradicts theirs, and as lost to conversion. I only have so much energy; I’m not going to spend it on people who are activists against the Church and Her message.
I see most gays and lesbians as hostile to any message that contradicts theirs, and as lost to conversion. I only have so much energy; I’m not going to spend it on people who are activists against the Church and Her message.
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Kris34
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He was literal at the moment. Or symbolic to say only nag at people once? Don’t shine the light under a bushel.
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SeriousQuestion
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I think people distorted not going to a celebration or reception into shunning certain groups of people, or it escalated into that. I think intention is the most important thing since that’s what gives things value in a certain way. But there is also a necessity to evaluate the effects of going prudently.
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TheLittleLady
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Forum rules require charity, so, I will forgive you for the insult.
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TheLittleLady
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Sex is one of the privileges of marriage. The ability to have normal sexual relations is essential, the sex act itself is not. Look up “Josephite Marriage”But sex is definitely an essential part of marriage.
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TheLittleLady
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St John the Baptist was a Prophet. In fact, he was the last of the great Prophets. Prophets were appointed by God to condemn sin. They were part of the old Covenant.John the Baptist
As he was the last, none of us here, including the OP, are Prophets.
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TheLittleLady
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We do not take single verses out of context. Jesus was specifically speaking to the Apostles here (so, we will take this as talking to Bishops and those that the Bishop sends as missionaries).And whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake off the dust of your feet."
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exnihilo
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Right, but sex for the sake of reproduction is essential to marriage. If some people agree to abstain that doesn’t change this.Sex is one of the privileges of marriage. The ability to have normal sexual relations is essential, the sex act itself is not. Look up “Josephite Marriage”
Man I am glad I’m not called to be a prophet. Then I’d have to condemn sin. As it is I guess I can encourage it and honor it? Except I thought there was a Catholic spiritual work of mercy to admonish the sinner? I must be mistaken.As he was the last, none of us here, including the OP, are Prophets.
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Technically we are prophets through baptism, but in a different way. But we shouldn’t be going all over the place.
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