Attending Get-Together for Homosexual Couple

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exnihilo said:
Except I thought there was a Catholic spiritual work of mercy to admonish the sinner?
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What does “admonish” mean to you?

It does not mean walking about, pointing out everyone else’s sins. Refusing to crack a smile when in the presence of a sinner for fear someone will think you approve.

Admonishing is to be done with love “Hey, Uncle Joe, you know I am Catholic and you know that the Church teaches marriage is between a man and a woman. I love you, and I will always respect and care about you. Can I get you another slice of cake?”

No need to preach a big sermon, everyone there knows the Church’s teaching. I doubt any of your family friends are going to go marry a same sex person because of this reception.

We can love, cherish, care for someone even when they are in sin.

Do you go to parties with friends who have not been to Mass in a year?

Sins that cry out to heaven… do you go to the wedding of a person who hires people “under the table” to avoid paying them a just wage?
 
TheLittleLady said:
It does not mean walking about, pointing out everyone else’s sins. Refusing to crack a smile when in the presence of a sinner for fear someone will think you approve.
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Nothing in his posts suggested that. This thread has been grossly distorted.
 
Admonish to me means to not go to parties which have the purpose of celebrating a same sex ‘marriage’.
 
However, that is not even close to the meaning of the word “admonish”.

“Admonishment” is not punitive. To admonish is to give a warning to someone.

To refuse basic camaraderie to someone because you know their sin is a form of punishment and spite.
 
Refusing to socialize with another person based on their sins is a punitive action. “I’ll show you how bad I think your sins are, I will not go to your party”. That is an attempt to wound the other person, to dominate or persuade another into submission. Isolation from the group is how humans have punished others since the dawn of time.
Admonish to me means to not go to parties which have the purpose of celebrating a same sex ‘marriage’.
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Makes as much sense as me saying “Eating to me means to get into the water and propel myself by moving my arms and legs”. We cannot change the meaning of words simply to suit ourselves.

Admonish: verb
verb: admonish; 3rd person present: admonishes; past tense: admonished; past participle: admonished; gerund or present participle: admonishing

warn or reprimand someone firmly.
"she admonished me for appearing at breakfast unshaven"

More advise or urge (someone) earnestly.
"she admonished him to drink no more than one glass of wine"

synonyms: advise, recommend, counsel, urge, exhort, bid, enjoin; More
archaic warn (someone) of something to be avoided.
"he admonished the people against the evil of such practices"
 
The reason for not going to the party is because of the purpose of the party. It isn’t shunning people because they are sinners.

But, it can also be prudent to avoid gross sinners. People who are weak in their faith should avoid gross sinners. When our presence might weaken other people’s faith we should avoid gross sinners. And if we aren’t actually doing something to bring the sinner to repentance then there isn’t a good reason to be around gross sinners, when avoidable.
 
You are very dogmatic in your beliefs on this subject. It is obviously personal to you. However you take it to the point of labeling others as evil for their beliefs. Unfortunately this convinces no one.
As I mentioned above I would not go. To do so would be, I believe, condoning a serious sin. Love of God and love of neighbor do not allow me to do this.
Your conscience may tell you otherwise. I am bound to answer for myself before God.
 
I have a question. Could I go to a party celebrating an abortion? It seems you are saying yes. You are saying to not do so would be shunning the person who had an abortion.
 
RunMan said:
My aunt who will be at the event just sent me a picture of a the decorations she set up: rainbow flags and a rainbow cake.

This makes the most sense to me though…

‘If i were to avoid gay couples, I would also have to avoid

people who were living with their heterosexual partners
people who were divorced and remarried (in most cases there’s no way I could possibly know all their personal details of whether they got an annulment or even needed an annulment, so I’d just have to avoid them)
people who were openly engaging in sex outside marriage (i.e. going home with their girlfriend or boyfriend at the end of the night)
people who I saw, or had good reason to believe were, cheating on their spouses
people who I saw, or had good reason to believe were, using drugs or drinking too much’

I will probably go and treat it as a reunion of family friends, but if it turns into a marriage celebration I will leave.
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RunMan,

Here is the difference in this particular event. The opening post of this thread indicated that this was an unofficial “reception” for the so-called “marriage”, and this is confirmed out by your description of the event. By going to the reception, it can be considered “approval” of the act. The CCC has a paragraph (I cannot find my hardcopy right now to give the actual paragraph number) that states that we share in another person’s sin when we approve of it, so we need to be careful to not do anything that may constitute approval of something sinful (and I do believe attending such a reception is clearly such a thing). In fact, the old Baltimore Catechism (in one of the print editions) was clear and explicit in avoiding invalid weddings when it said that we were not supposed to go to weddings of Catholics who were married by protestant ministers, nor attend the reception nor even give gifts!

As far as family discord, please recall what Christ said regarding “coming to light a fire on the earth” and setting family members against each other - not that He purposely came to sow family discord, but that following Him would have consequences, and family discord would be one of them.
 
Limoncello4021 said:
However you take it to the point of labeling others as evil for their beliefs
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Please quote where I have labeled another as evil. If you cannot do that, kindly apologize.

Dogmatic love. That sounds like a great book title.
 
In other words obviously you wouldn’t go to the celebration of such a gross immorality but to say so would refute everything you wrote in encouragement of attending some other celebration of gross immorality.
 
What I said is that I am not going to play the game.

We are called to love people. To love our enemies, to do good to those who hate us.

With my very public work in the pro-life world, I was asked to have lunch with the regional director of Planned Parenthood. I went to the lunch. This opened a door for dialogue.
 
No one has said not to ever meet or associate in any way with gross sinners. Your example isn’t relevant. I used to work with a local feminist organization president. She was a big supported of abortion of course. I didn’t shun her. But had she invited me to attend an abortion rally or some other celebration of abortion I of course wouldn’t attend, just like I wouldn’t, and no Catholic should, attend a celebration of same sex ‘marriage’.
 
Saying an imprimatur does not make something infallible shows you don’t understand how Catholicism works. The Church doesn’t have to teach something infallibly for Catholics to believe it - Catholics must believe everything contained in the Deposit of Faith.
 
To love all people doesn’t mean to avoid hurting their feelings or to keep the peace. To love is to desire the objective good for the one you love. The objective good is living in the state of grace, pleasing God, and going to heaven. It is not loving to encourage or support a person in sin.
 
Dca2018 said:
What if your gay friend had, the day before, broken ties with you because he had become aware of whatever sins you commit (and we are all sinners). You would think he was a jerk, wouldnt you?
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Not the same. I sin too, but I don’t boast about it.
 
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