Attending Mass at a Calvinistic Church

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GKC, if you don’t mind me asking: What is your personal involvement in Ecumenism? What does it mean to you, and are there boundaries?
I don’t mind your asking at all. I have no useful response, though. The only involvement I might be considered to have is explaining Anglicanism, to the extent I get it right. There are certainly boundaries, of doctrine and praxis. No idea how one gets around that.

OTOH, I’ll be bringing the sausages for the Shrove Tuesday pancake supper tonight. Ecumenicism will reign, in the serving.
 
I don’t mind your asking at all. I have no useful response, though. The only involvement I might be considered to have is explaining Anglicanism, to the extent I get it right. There are certainly boundaries, of doctrine and praxis. No idea how one gets around that.
Thanks! I have attempted several participations with non-Catholic Christians. A couple of them going even further than permitted.
OTOH, I’ll be bringing the sausages for the Shrove Tuesday pancake supper tonight. Ecumenicism will reign, in the serving.
Awsome!
 
Thanks! I have attempted several participations with non-Catholic Christians. A couple of them going even further than permitted.

Awsome!
I’ve attended a fair number of RC Masses, almost all Tridentine (traditionalist,* c’est moi*). For that matter , I got RCs in the family.
 
I’ve attended a fair number of RC Masses, almost all Tridentine (traditionalist,* c’est moi*). For that matter , I got RCs in the family.
I have had the best conversations with non-Catholic Christians who have family members who are Catholic (generally).

Shortly after my Catholic Baptism/Confirmation (I was 24 yrs) I was asked by a friend at an E-Free church to help as a youth group leader. I helped for 3 yrs! And never went beyond what they taught the children. Eventually, my conscience led me to privately talk with the pastor as to why we were leading children to belief in the Gospel, but not Baptism. It was a fork in the road.

Then I became a God parent to my Lutheran neice. I even took Communion at that service. It was later that I learned we are not permitted to do either. It’s the only time I’ve ever taken Communion apart from Catholic Mass.
 
A small picky point: the Queen is supreme governor of the Church of England only, not of the Anglican Communion.
I perhaps should have specified, but since the Pope was working with the representative of the Archbishop of Canterbury, I thought it was obvious. My apologies.
 
I have had the best conversations with non-Catholic Christians who have family members who are Catholic (generally).

Shortly after my Catholic Baptism/Confirmation (I was 24 yrs) I was asked by a friend at an E-Free church to help as a youth group leader. I helped for 3 yrs! And never went beyond what they taught the children. Eventually, my conscience led me to privately talk with the pastor as to why we were leading children to belief in the Gospel, but not Baptism. It was a fork in the road.

Then I became a God parent to my Lutheran neice. I even took Communion at that service. It was later that I learned we are not permitted to do either. It’s the only time I’ve ever taken Communion apart from Catholic Mass.
And here you are conversing with a non Roman Catholic Catholic, who has Roman Catholics in the family. 😃 Who was once a stand-in God parent for a baptism of some RC friends’ child. It was a sort of emergency, I think.
 
I perhaps should have specified, but since the Pope was working with the representative of the Archbishop of Canterbury, I thought it was obvious. My apologies.
No apologies, please! No doubt it was obvious and I mistook.
 
Sometimes the role(s) of Cantuar had to be delimited, too.
Not surprising, really. Both Her Majesty and His Grace exercise a form of primacy that may not be familiar to some of those here.
 
And here you are conversing with a non Roman Catholic Catholic, who has Roman Catholics in the family. 😃 Who was once a stand-in God parent for a baptism of some RC friends’ child. It was a sort of emergency, I think.
And I would pray with you, fellowship with you, eat a meal with you, enter your house, attend a special occasion if invited by you, ect.

Holy Communion just happens to be the sign of full unity. So we strive to have the best relationship and worry about our hearts before God. Let Him be God. 😉
 
And I would pray with you, fellowship with you, eat a meal with you, enter your house, attend a special occasion if invited by you, ect.

Holy Communion just happens to be the sign of full unity. So we strive to have the best relationship and worry about our hearts before God. Let Him be God. 😉
D’accord. I hope you know that I know how to behave myself in a RC Mass.
 
Father, first of all I am happy you have decided not to completely leave CAF
I’m making a drop in visit as someone chose to attempt to “explain” my thoughts in a way particularly egregious; I’ve corrected the record & explained myself
I would appreciate if you could explain what you mean by “superannuated”
One encounters texts on this forum that are presented as though the text itself were definitive. This is very alien to the concept of Catholic theology and one must beware of it. In excommunicating Archbishop Lefebvre and the others in 1988, Pope Saint John Paul II wrote
But especially contradictory is a notion of Tradition which opposes the universal Magisterium of the Church possessed by the Bishop of Rome and the Body of Bishops. It is impossible to remain faithful to the Tradition while breaking the ecclesial bond with him to whom, in the person of the Apostle Peter, Christ himself entrusted the ministry of unity in his Church
We look to the living Magisterium to guide us…not simply to texts. Francis and PCPCU are who we look to today. Pius XI and Leo XIII are both dead. The Church is not in the place where it was when either occupied the Chair of Peter. Pope Leo XIII’s refusal to associate the Catholic Church with the World Council of Churches was revisited and changed by his successor. Thus his decision was superannuated by subsequent papal acts and those of an ecumenical council

The Council Fathers in Unitatis Redintegratio, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, recognised that the ecumenical movement is a divine imperative
*The restoration of unity among all Christians is one of the principal concerns of the Second Vatican Council. /…/ It follows that the separated Churches and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church /…/

Today, in many parts of the world, under the inspiring grace of the Holy Spirit, many efforts are being made in prayer, word and action to attain that fullness of unity which Jesus Christ desires. The Sacred Council exhorts all the Catholic faithful to recognize the signs of the times and to take an active and intelligent part in the work of ecumenism*
The Holy Father and dicasteries of the Holy See not only allow but mandate our engagement with the other Christian communities. We are well moved beyond what Pius XI expressed. That mindset changes in & after World War II. As Pope Benedict said in Erfurt in 2011
As the martyrs of the Nazi era brought us together and prompted that great initial ecumenical opening, so today, faith that is lived from deep within amid a secularized world is the most powerful ecumenical force that brings us together, guiding us towards unity in the one Lord. And we pray to him, asking that we may learn to live the faith anew, and that in this way we may then become one
There Benedict also said, far removed from the words of Pius XI
I would respond by saying that the first and most important thing for ecumenism is that we keep in view just how much we have in common, not losing sight of it amid the pressure towards secularization – everything that makes us Christian in the first place and continues to be our gift and our task. It was the error of the Reformation period that for the most part we could only see what divided us and we failed to grasp existentially what we have in common in terms of the great deposit of sacred Scripture and the early Christian creeds. For me, the great ecumenical step forward of recent decades is that we have become aware of all this common ground, that we acknowledge it as we pray and sing together, as we make our joint commitment to the Christian ethos in our dealings with the world, as we bear common witness to the God of Jesus Christ in this world as our inalienable, shared foundation
In terms of a text to close with, I would recommend a prayerful reading of Ut Unum Sint, Pope Saint John Paul II’s encyclical. Here is a relevant passage
*42. It happens for example that, in the spirit of the Sermon on the Mount, Christians of one confession no longer consider other Christians as enemies or strangers but see them as brothers and sisters. Again, the very expression separated brethren tends to be replaced today by expressions which more readily evoke the deep communion — linked to the baptismal character — which the Spirit fosters in spite of historical and canonical divisions. Today we speak of “other Christians”, “others who have received Baptism”, and “Christians of other Communities”. The Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism refers to the Communities to which these Christians belong as “Churches and Ecclesial Communities that are not in full communion with the Catholic Church”. **This broadening of vocabulary is indicative of a significant change in attitudes. There is an increased awareness that we all belong to Christ. I have personally been able many times to observe this during the ecumenical celebrations which are an important part of my Apostolic Visits to various parts of the world, and also in the meetings and ecumenical celebrations which have taken place in Rome. *The “universal brotherhood” of Christians has become a firm ecumenical conviction. Consigning to oblivion the excommunications of the past, Communities which were once rivals are now in many cases helping one another
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html
 
I also notice a rather Traditionalist “more Catholic than the Pope” mindset here, even among those who do not claim the label. There seems to be among many, a strong nostalgia for the pre-Vatican II Church, or at least what they perceive as such. I recall at one point, many posters stridently expressed support for Michael Voris and his harsh critiques of the “Church of Nice”, though I haven’t seen much support for Voris lately.
Anyway, if I recall correctly, Father R, you actually have been a priest long enough to experience both pre-Vat II and post-Vat II Church, and I certainly respect your perspective.
Yes…I have witnessed the mindset here. I offer no further commentary, as it would not be positive.

Thank you for your compliment to me. There are daily fewer and fewer of us among the living who have that perspective. It is impossible to bear adequate witness to the greatness of the event that was the Council and its aftermath. I remember vividly Benedict speaking at various times about his memories as a peritus.
The nostalgic longing for the pre-Vat II Church among those who never actually experienced it, remind me of how some young people in Russia, and even other countries, who see themselves as victims of capitalism, actually promote communism and see the Soviet Union as a great place. Even though it had long since broken down before they were born, so they have no experience about what it was really like back then.
Yes. That is its own tragedy. The phenomenon is not limited to the young people of Russia.
 
I have been invited to attend a Protestant service indirectly by a notice in the church bulletin.

I feel obligated to attend, but I cannot drive, so I will try my best. It’s actually in walking distance, I will some show find my way.

Have you been to a Calvinistic church before? I’m sure there not much different, All I am expected to do is to act respectfuly.
Depending on the Church, you might be shocked at how different it is. Day and night. Just be friendly and respectful. I personally think visiting other Churches is fascinating - you learn so much about other denominations but also yourself and what you value in your faith. What you share with other denominations, what you don’t. It can be intimidating, but I have never regretted it. I think you become more knowledgeable and able to relate to more Christians - in terms of representing your own Church. They might really hate (cluelessly) Catholics though - be careful there should you get into that. Stand your ground 😉 with humility and grace.
 
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