Attending SSPX Chapels as of 2020

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Seems that even the season of Lent is not an impediment to expressing hateful sentiments toward a society a priests in talks with Rome to work something out.

Priests whose purpose is simply the salvation of souls.

It seems that nothing brings out the dark side of the Soul in some of us here like the mention of the SSPX does.
 
Crusader13 said:
, if your intention is to merely attend the TLM and to help the growth of your faith, both spiritually and intellectually, then you’re in good standing.
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But how do I know if the reality of my “intention” , the effect of my act, coincides with my opinion of what it is? Here is where we find a pastor in union with the current Magisterium to help sort that out. If we were angels, we wouldn’t need the current Magisterium.
 
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You’re free to believe as you wish, and so is everyone else.

I believe what the Church has explicitly stated regarding the SSPX. That is not “hatred”, but if you wish to twist the Church’s statements on the group into approval to conform with your own position, that’s your prerogative. . . .
 
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Twist my words to suit your needs.

They remain for anyone who sees them and the context I intended.

And this is a sub forum for discussing Traditional Catholicism. I can stay here and tolerate those who lean toward more liberal ways or frequent the forums you mention and tolerate sedevacantists and such.

I’ll stay here for the time being 😉
 
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But how do I know if the reality of my “intention” , the effect of my act, coincides with my opinion of what it is?
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Well I think that would depend on what exactly those opinions are and where they arise from.

If one were to believe that the TLM is superior in its effect because Jesus is more present at that mass at not at the OF, that would be a misguided and erroneous view.

However, one can have the opinion that the TLM is more efficacious in their lives versus attending their other local parish where the OF is celebrated. Hence their reasoning why they choose to frequent the SSPX chapel.
 
I know that Bishop in country where I study has prohibited people to visit SSPX. It is because SSPX came to this country and didn’t bother asking local Bishop anything before they started celebrating Mass and preaching against Novus Ordo. It isn’t that he denied them (in the city where Bishop seats, Tridentine Masses are being celebrated regularly anyway), but they never bothered to ask. There was also similar case with Eastern Catholic self-proclaimed Patriarchate, but in their case no one is even sure if their Priesthood is valid…
 
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I wish they were fewer than they are.
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Honestly you can do things about those! Send a letter to their Bishops… if that fails, send a letter to higher ups and continue on and on. And do not forget to pray… we laity are also part of the Church and we can act to suppress heresy- differently than ordinaries can, but we still can.
 
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But how do I know if the reality of my “intention” , the effect of my act, coincides with my opinion of what it is?
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Well I think that would depend on what exactly those opinions are and where they arise from.

If one were to believe that the TLM is superior in its effect because Jesus is more present at that mass at not at the OF, that would be a misguided and erroneous view.

However, one can have the opinion that the TLM is more efficacious in their lives versus attending their other local parish where the OF is celebrated. Hence their reasoning why they choose to frequent the SSPX chapel.
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As you point out there are different factors for different individuals.

Many people who have reasonable distance to SSPX also have similar distance to a diocesan approved TLM, so it’s often really 3 choices, not 2.
 
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The FSSP does not have its own leadership and is at the mercy of whatever local bishop they are under. The SSPX has its own leadership and support through its own Bishops.
 
ConcernedConvert said:
The FSSP does not have its own leadership and is at the mercy of whatever local bishop they are under. The SSPX has its own leadership and support through its own Bishops.
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I suppose that’s one way of looking at Apostolic ministry (!) But it’s totally different from how Pope St Pius X viewed the role of the bishop Ordinary.

In SSPX ,Their overall leader is not a bishop. Their bishops are primarily sacramental ministers. They can seek election, or get defeated, like any other priest. They oversee no diocese or Catholic ministry. They have no (name removed by moderator)ut to the bishops in general, they are separate, so they can’t even get a chapel approved.

SSPX does not oversee any Catholic parishes, Catholic schools, Catholic media, or Catholic retreat houses either. So much for freedom.

Fssp can do all those things. They don’t seem restricted much.
 
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I don’t think they have handled everything perfectly. However, I tend to understand many of their concerns and genuinely think they are doing a phenomenal job in spreading the gospel to the world.
 
I thought their leader, Felley, was indeed a bishop. I guess I am confused about your ideas regarding their bishops.
 
Current magisterium or constant magisterium.? I only ask because from my view there are some big concerns where the constant and the current don’t look the same?
 
Fr. Davide Pagliarani was elected to succeed Bishop Fellay. Bishop Fellay had earlier been chosen to succeed Fr. Franz Schmidberger.
 
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ConcernedConvert said:
Current magisterium or constant magisterium.? I only ask because from my view there are some big concerns where the constant and the current don’t look the same?
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I meant, constant Tradition, and current Magisterium. By current Magisterium I was referring to the persons who themselves.

The current Magisterium is always the hardest one to follow in any era.
 
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ConcernedConvert said:
However, I tend to understand many of their concerns and genuinely think they are doing a phenomenal job in spreading the gospel to the world.
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Oh no doubt, but so do many other groups of Christians- even non-Catholic ones. I am simply saying that because of unfortunate fact they do not obey Church authorities (Bishops), I can not go to their Masses. I know there are some people celebrating Tridentine Mass in the city who criticize even FSSP and the likes of them and say their Masses are invalid, but I am not sure if this is SSPX or some other group (though it’s weird for SSPX to do this, it would be weird if there were so many groups celebrating Tridentine Mass, considering not many people attend it there anyway).
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The current Magisterium is always the hardest one to follow in any era.
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This.
 
It is the building where Mass is prayed. Smaller places of worship are often called Chapels. A large church can have one or more small Chapels within it.
 
Current magisterium should always remain faithful to constant tradition and magisterium.
 
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