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coyote
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I need more information. I don’t get your point.That’s okay. There’s no gay people in it.
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Jennifer123
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Sorry - I think this proves our point though. Of course Hollywood loved it - it was pretty much blasphemy!
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oldfogey
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Trying to look at one film like Brokeback Mountain and deciding how it should affect our view of the movie industry is looking at the whole problem in reverse. Hollywood gets away with its promotion of films like this, and its minimalization and even deprecation of traditional values, with our support.
It will throw us a bone like Narnia, and then inundate us with trash that negates any message a good film will have brought.
We are the frog (or goldfish) in the warming water. If we jumped out for only six months (ie no moviegoing,) the heat would be on the other side of the pot.
It will throw us a bone like Narnia, and then inundate us with trash that negates any message a good film will have brought.
We are the frog (or goldfish) in the warming water. If we jumped out for only six months (ie no moviegoing,) the heat would be on the other side of the pot.
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RLT
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this has nothing to do with Mel Gibson…it has to do with the nature of Hollywood (the whole liberal art community) to invariably embrace immoral themes.BBM may be a good movie, but it’s buzz began well before it was released. Why? becuse it was about gay cowboys. Personally, I don’t see BBM as a gay propeganda film, but unfortunately Hollywood will use it as one.
Given the same director, actors, equivalent screenplay, but a heterosexual story this thread wouldn’t exist.
All the focus would be directed to Capote and Felicity Hofman’s movie. Why, because the majority of Hollywood doesn’t see homosexuality or gender ambiguity as wrong.
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LilyM
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I would literally have seen only two movies (maybe three) last year, don’t think I watched more than a handful of dvds either. I didn’t miss any of the films I didn’t see at all, and even found one or two of the ones I did see to not be worth the effort.
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jman507
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That is kinda funny. First people are critised for saying that Hollywood has an agenda. Next they are being critised for not denouncing every other movie.
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didymus
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What if it were about an adulterous affair between a cowboy
and a cowgirl? Would we all be jumping up and down about Hollywood promoting the cheaters’ agenda? For that matter what about other movies that promote immorality? To take a mild example, The American President: President Michael Douglas (a widower) has an affair with lobbyist Annette Benning, and it’s just the sweetest, most romantic thing you could imagine. That movie must have scored huge for the fornicator’s agenda.
It occurs to me that Brokeback is actually a rather formula plot (except for the gay aspect): man who married young before he experienced the world or explore his own depths meets his one true love who opens everything up for him.
As for Hollywood’s supporting Brokeback, I figure H’wood is the US’s teenager and it’s going to love anything that Dad and Mom (Middle America, traditional values) hate. It must be tons of fun for them knowing they can just push the GAY button nd get a huge reaction.
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DreadVandal
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Well, I went and looked at the Brokeback Mountain movie website and right off the bat I can tell you that ideologically it is false. The subtitle was “love is a force of nature.” That simply isn’t true. Love is an act of the will. Sexual attraction, whether same sex or other sex is not love. It is eros; but eros is a very superficial form of love if it is not accompanied by moral love.
Also, I watched the trailer. Its just a wee bit too romantic for me. I wouldn’t even like it if our young bucks were heterosexual. Although, they must be heterosexual to some extent, at least enough to function and reproduce. In a way, I’m glad that they have that aspect in there since it only reinforces what a sick perversion homosexuality really is. And that is the thing. The reason that people are so outraged is not simply because the film portrays homosexuality. It is because the film is working in tandem with the left to make homosexuality “normal.” Homosexuality is not normal. It is a sick, nasty abomination in the eyes of God. Yes, ordinary fornication is mortally sinful. But at least its not intrinsically opposed to nature. Fornication, in a sense, is an understandable sin. Sodomy, however, is one of the most grave sins that one can commit. The Church has traditionally said that it is one sin, like defrauding a worker his wages, that cries out to heaven. We should not try to minimize the sin and suggest its just one of many sins. It is worse than most sins. I’m sorry if people don’t like what I’m saying. That’s just their problem.
Also, I watched the trailer. Its just a wee bit too romantic for me. I wouldn’t even like it if our young bucks were heterosexual. Although, they must be heterosexual to some extent, at least enough to function and reproduce. In a way, I’m glad that they have that aspect in there since it only reinforces what a sick perversion homosexuality really is. And that is the thing. The reason that people are so outraged is not simply because the film portrays homosexuality. It is because the film is working in tandem with the left to make homosexuality “normal.” Homosexuality is not normal. It is a sick, nasty abomination in the eyes of God. Yes, ordinary fornication is mortally sinful. But at least its not intrinsically opposed to nature. Fornication, in a sense, is an understandable sin. Sodomy, however, is one of the most grave sins that one can commit. The Church has traditionally said that it is one sin, like defrauding a worker his wages, that cries out to heaven. We should not try to minimize the sin and suggest its just one of many sins. It is worse than most sins. I’m sorry if people don’t like what I’m saying. That’s just their problem.
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pnewton
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I’m glad you said this. The thought that came to my mind was the idea made as much sense as a Jewish pig farmer.
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Marilena
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Brokeback Mountain is NOT a better made film than the Passion of the Christ! There is NO comparison!!!
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coyote
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I think this is a misunderstanding of my point. My point is that this impassioned criticism of THIS movie is hypocritical. It does not stand alone. It is but one example of hundreds.
Personally, I am not threatened by this genre. I think the whole to-do is exaggerated.
Despite what the paranoid believe, this too shall pass.
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pnewton
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I just did a straw poll among the 30 people at work today and nobody has seen the movie. Only one person thought he might, until he found out the subject matter. He thought at first we were pulling his leg. There were several colorful euphamisms for renaming this movie.
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Liberalsaved
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Let em guess, you haven’t seen Brokeback and are basing your judgement entirely on content.
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Liberalsaved
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Sounds like a very mature workforce you have there. And yes, I’m being heavily sarcastic here.
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Liberalsaved
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I’m being sarcastic. Kinda pointing out about how even people who get up in arms about pointlessly violent stuff get more up in arms about the horrible values killer that’s going to corrupt all our kids and bring America to it’s knees that is homosexuality. All the hyperbole is disgusting. As I’ve said before; people don’t care about agendas, unless it’s someone else’s agenda. You’d all be perfectly okay with getting your agenda more publicity and some of you would be okay with forcing it on others. But a movie about something you (not you personally, coyote) guys don’t like? Oh, that shouldn’t be allowed.
You’re all pretty two-faced here. Yours is the agenda that matters, and you don’t even see it as an agenda. You see it as something everyone should agree with you on. In this regards you’re blind to your own faith.
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Liberalsaved
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You’re either joking or not very intelligent. Lord knows why, but I’m going to go with the former until proven otherwise, even while I know it’s probably the latter.
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goofyjim
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How about accountants with same sex attraction? Shocking but it happens. Yours is a stereotypical response. We do not all call ourselves gay or associate with the gay community but it is nice to know through a movie that we are not alone in our struggles. I suggest a balanced approach such the novel Sophia House (I forget the author but its published by Ignatius Press).
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Liberalsaved
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The very fact that we have Brokeback should be encouraging to anyone and everyone. What did we have before this in popular entertainment? The most well-known thing I can think of is Will and Grace. Yeah, because that’s how gay people act. If we can get a movie about individuals who are like us in every way, same problems, same guilts, same struggles just to live life and have enough money to get by, same secrets and things hidden in the dust of their closets, with the only difference being that they are homosexual? Sorry, anyone who wants that movie banned or boycotted, I call them scared, ignorant and bigoted. Unless they’ve been raped by a gay person they have absolutely no reason not to leave well enough alone and let people be people without finding a million ways to condemn it.
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pnewton
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Well, since you wish to be personal in your attack, yes they are of the finest caliber and I would match their character against anyone. Rejection of the idiocy that is the acceptance of homosexual behavior does not make one immature, it makes one in line God. I guess you are just not used to people with a backbone.
My point is that once again a movie producer has proven he has no grasp of reality.
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TZiggy
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Liberal: I don’t understand you. What stance are you taking? Are you Catholic, gay and chaste but wanting to feel connected to a group like yourself? Or are you “Actively Gay” and wishing to promote the lifestyle?
If you’re the former, being gay is a cross not unlike other posters who struggle with birth control or porn or stealing or…(name you struggle). You are a part of a group, the Church militant. These movies you like have no redeeming value.
If you’re the latter: You’re posting in the wrong forum. You may gather some sympathetic ears, or “mushy” moral supporters, but the “Catholic” basis for your arguments are flawed. They have no value.
Our job as fellow christians is to help eachother follow Jesus, to love and serve God. In the case of gays, it would be to deal compassionately, help with moral guidance, but in no way support the sin.
How does your stance do this?
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