Attention anti-Brokeback ranters

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Liberalsaved:
Let em guess, you haven’t seen Brokeback and are basing your judgement entirely on content.
You guessed correctly. I will never condone a movie with homosexuality in it. That has NO camparison to the Passion of the Christ. None. I will never watch that movie, nor will
I bother to watch the oscars. It is plain disgusting.
 
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Marilena:
You guessed correctly. I will never condone a movie with homosexuality in it. That has NO camparison to the Passion of the Christ. None. I will never watch that movie, nor will
I bother to watch the oscars. It is plain disgusting.
Good for you. You’re wrong about how to judge movies. A movie about Jesus is not inherently a superior movie.
 
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TZiggy:
Liberal: I don’t understand you. What stance are you taking? Are you Catholic, gay and chaste but wanting to feel connected to a group like yourself? Or are you “Actively Gay” and wishing to promote the lifestyle?

If you’re the former, being gay is a cross not unlike other posters who struggle with birth control or porn or stealing or…(name you struggle). You are a part of a group, the Church militant. These movies you like have no redeeming value.

If you’re the latter: You’re posting in the wrong forum. You may gather some sympathetic ears, or “mushy” moral supporters, but the “Catholic” basis for your arguments are flawed. They have no value.

Our job as fellow christians is to help eachother follow Jesus, to love and serve God. In the case of gays, it would be to deal compassionately, help with moral guidance, but in no way support the sin.

How does your stance do this?
I am straight, and not a member of any minority group. I have nothing whatsoever to gain or lose that hinges on gay rights. I speak out for it because it feels right to me, to stand up for rights in a country that is built on them. This isn’t a religious issue. No one is forcing your local Priest to marry gay people. S’why we have a seperation between Church and State. You don’t get to legislate morals, end of story. That isn’t the job of government.
And, hey, if I can’t be a member of your Church and still practice what I feel is right in the political arena, if you think there should be limits and conditions placed on my chosen spirituality, then that’s not very Christian of you at all.
 
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pnewton:
My point is that once again a movie producer has proven he has no grasp of reality.
Really? A reality in which the hardcore conservative voice is losing credibility by the minute, where Christianity is a minority in world religion, and where all around the world gays are being more and more accepted into society? What reality, pre tell, are the people in this film out of touch with? Again, you are talking about your reality, the way you want it to be, not the way it is.
 
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Liberalsaved:
The very fact that we have Brokeback should be encouraging to anyone and everyone. What did we have before this in popular entertainment?
OMgoodness - there are so many films, plays, novels, etc, about homosexuality especially from the 90’s that I can’t even begin. You can’t be serious. 😃
 
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Jennifer123:
OMgoodness - there are so many films, plays, novels, etc, about homosexuality especially from the 90’s that I can’t even begin. You can’t be serious. 😃
Once again: popular entertainment. Name me ten best sellers about homosexuality. Ten top-rated TV shows. Ten films that made mucho dinero at the box office and garnered major awards. Do that, and I’ll buy all the bull spouted here about a non-existant gay agenda. But I want to see #1s. #2 won;t do, they must not be pushing the agenda hard enough to only land at #2.
 
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Liberalsaved:
And, hey, if I can’t be a member of your Church and still practice what I feel is right in the political arena, if you think there should be limits and conditions placed on my chosen spirituality, then that’s not very Christian of you at all.
Being a Christian is about knowing Jesus Christ. There is an objective truth that He wants us to know, proclaiming it doesn’t make us anything other than witnesses to His gospel.

Just because something feels right to you doesn’t make it so. Otherwise you are really just worshiping yorself in what you’ve created His image to be.

We don’t force anyone to live as we preach, the role of the Church is to tell why we should live as we preach. Some of us are better, more charitable, than others in proclaiming the Gospel message, but that still doesn’t change the truth.

:blessyou:
 
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Liberalsaved:
Once again: popular entertainment. Name me ten best sellers about homosexuality. Ten top-rated TV shows. Ten films that made mucho dinero at the box office and garnered major awards. Do that, and I’ll buy all the bull spouted here about a non-existant gay agenda. But I want to see #1s. #2 won;t do, they must not be pushing the agenda hard enough to only land at #2.
I’m not asking for quantification, I don’t think that’s necessary, but I could make a list. I think anyone can.

I guess I’ll start from memory, limited as it is of things of a homosexual nature or included themes, since I don’t really pay all that much attention to it, but here goes…
Birdcage
Rent
Angels in America
The L word
Six Feet Under
The Family Stone
The Celluloid Closet
Antonia’s Line
Will and Grace
Queer Eye

I don’t know, I could go on, I mean there’s enough to make at least one whole network, Logo, and now Bravo said it’s going to pander to the community, so I think there’s plenty.
 
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Liberalsaved:
Really? A reality in which the hardcore conservative voice is losing credibility by the minute, where Christianity is a minority in world religion, and where all around the world gays are being more and more accepted into society? What reality, pre tell, are the people in this film out of touch with? Again, you are talking about your reality, the way you want it to be, not the way it is.
That any one cares about a hypothetical gay cowboy “love” affair. Exactly who are they trying to sell this hogwash to? Macho effeminates? I know of not one soul that has seen it. In my town it lasted a week and then moved on for lack of sales. The Passion, on the other hand, was sold to capacity for weeks.

The only reason anyone in my area thinks it deserved any award is for being able to film it without getting sick all over the set.
 
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Liberalsaved:
The very fact that we have Brokeback should be encouraging to anyone and everyone. What did we have before this in popular entertainment? The most well-known thing I can think of is Will and Grace. Yeah, because that’s how gay people act. If we can get a movie about individuals who are like us in every way, same problems, same guilts, same struggles just to live life and have enough money to get by, same secrets and things hidden in the dust of their closets, with the only difference being that they are homosexual? Sorry, anyone who wants that movie banned or boycotted, I call them scared, ignorant and bigoted. Unless they’ve been raped by a gay person they have absolutely no reason not to leave well enough alone and let people be people without finding a million ways to condemn it.
I desire neither the banning nor the boycott of the movie. I don’t believe in banning art. I have nothing in principle against a movie that portrays homosexuals as long as the portrayal is not an ideological propaganda piece being used normalize homosexuality. I pray for folks who struggle with this disorder and I think those who resist the urges and live a humble, chaste life should be commended. But, we need to get away from viewing homosexuality as a kind of class such as race and sex. I suspect these movies, like Brokeback mountain, are trying to reinforce the idea of homosexuality as just “another way of being different.”
 
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Liberalsaved:
I am straight, and not a member of any minority group. I have nothing whatsoever to gain or lose that hinges on gay rights. I speak out for it because it feels right to me, to stand up for rights in a country that is built on them. This isn’t a religious issue. No one is forcing your local Priest to marry gay people. S’why we have a seperation between Church and State. You don’t get to legislate morals, end of story. That isn’t the job of government.
And, hey, if I can’t be a member of your Church and still practice what I feel is right in the political arena, if you think there should be limits and conditions placed on my chosen spirituality, then that’s not very Christian of you at all.
What rights are you talking about? There is no such thing as gay rights.
 
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Liberalsaved:
Once again: popular entertainment. Name me ten best sellers about homosexuality. Ten top-rated TV shows. Ten films that made mucho dinero at the box office and garnered major awards. Do that, and I’ll buy all the bull spouted here about a non-existant gay agenda. But I want to see #1s. #2 won;t do, they must not be pushing the agenda hard enough to only land at #2.
Well, there was Al Pacino in Cruising 😃 Also, if I remember right, JFK had both queers and midgets in it didn’t it?
 
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Jennifer123:
I’m not asking for quantification, I don’t think that’s necessary, but I could make a list. I think anyone can.

I guess I’ll start from memory, limited as it is of things of a homosexual nature or included themes, since I don’t really pay all that much attention to it, but here goes…
Birdcage
Rent
Angels in America
The L word
Six Feet Under
The Family Stone
The Celluloid Closet
Antonia’s Line
Will and Grace
Queer Eye

I don’t know, I could go on, I mean there’s enough to make at least one whole network, Logo, and now Bravo said it’s going to pander to the community, so I think there’s plenty.
Rent? Hmm…isn’t that the musical that has the song “Everyone has AIDS” in it?
 
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pnewton:
That any one cares about a hypothetical gay cowboy “love” affair. Exactly who are they trying to sell this hogwash to? Macho effeminates? I know of not one soul that has seen it. In my town it lasted a week and then moved on for lack of sales. The Passion, on the other hand, was sold to capacity for weeks.

The only reason anyone in my area thinks it deserved any award is for being able to film it without getting sick all over the set.
I think the primary reason that it will do horribly at the box office is that in essence, its a chick flick for guys.
 
Let me explain something about my people (homosexuals), and I speak here for every gay person I have ever met and myself. BEING GAY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS AFFECTED BY THE EXTERNAL ENVIRONMENT, IT IS AN OCCURENCE BEYOND OUR CONTROL. We do not make the choice to be gay, it is as natural to us as being straight is to most people. If you belive we choose, then ask yourself, why would we choose to be part of one the most persecuted minorities in modern society? Would you? And then also ask yourself, did you choose to be straight? And could you ever CHOOSE not to be?

Now that I have made it clear that it is not a choice, can you maybe see that no matter how much someone sees gay behaviour, it will not “turn them”.

Also, as a point of interest, if being gay is a choice, then penguins are more intelligent than we give them credit for. 1/4 of all penguins are gay, making them the “gayest” known species on Earth. Were it a choice, then they must surely have the intelligence to make it 😛
 
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jayc:
Let me explain something about my people (homosexuals), and I speak here for every gay person I have ever met and myself. BEING GAY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS AFFECTED BY THE EXTERNAL ENVIRONMENT, IT IS AN OCCURENCE BEYOND OUR CONTROL. We do not make the choice to be gay, it is as natural to us as being straight is to most people. If you belive we choose, then ask yourself, why would we choose to be part of one the most persecuted minorities in modern society? Would you? And then also ask yourself, did you choose to be straight? And could you ever CHOOSE not to be?

Now that I have made it clear that it is not a choice, can you maybe see that no matter how much someone sees gay behaviour, it will not “turn them”.

Also, as a point of interest, if being gay is a choice, then penguins are more intelligent than we give them credit for. 1/4 of all penguins are gay, making them the “gayest” known species on Earth. Were it a choice, then they must surely have the intelligence to make it 😛
First of all, I have no problem rejecting your spurious claims. Homosexuality is a complex phenomenon. There may be some biological factors but it is not proven. There certainly are environmental factors. And, the will is always free, no matter the biological and environmental factors. You can scream your nonsense as loudly as you want to, we are not buying your propaganda.
 
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jayc:
Let me explain something about my people (homosexuals),
“my people?” Now that’s funny. Do you all get together and sing “Go Down Moses?”
 
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DreadVandal:
I think the primary reason that it will do horribly at the box office is that in essence, its a chick flick for guys.
I like your phrasing better
 
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Liberalsaved:
Good for you. You’re wrong about how to judge movies. A movie about Jesus is not inherently a superior movie.
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DreadVandal:
First of all, I have no problem rejecting your spurious claims. Homosexuality is a complex phenomenon. There may be some biological factors but it is not proven. There certainly are environmental factors. And, the will is always free, no matter the biological and environmental factors. You can scream your nonsense as loudly as you want to, we are not buying your propaganda.
I agree that the will is free, but same sex attraction may be as biological as whether I guy finds a blonde more attractive than a brunette. Jury is still out on this one. No conclusive evidence either way.
 
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