ATTENTION ATHEISTS: Your argument is weak! [edited title]

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warpspeedpetey said:
why don’t you present a reasonable argument to the people you mean these posts for.

its a little sneaky to attack from behind someone else like that,

do you not have a reasonable argument?

if so present one, instead of making assertions on arguments in a post to one person, when you mean another to read it.

bad form:(
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Hi Petey,

I don’t even read all of your posts, but this must be the fifth one such post I’ve seen where you claim that what someone else just posted did not include a reasonable argument. So that I may better understand your standards for what should and should not get posted, can you tell me whether the above post of yours addresses the issues under debate or whether it includes any reasonable argument?

Best,
Leela
 
Leela said:
Hi Petey,

I don’t even read all of your posts, but this must be the fifth one such post I’ve seen where you claim that what someone else just posted did not include a reasonable argument. So that I may better understand your standards for what should and should not get posted, can you tell me whether the above post of yours addresses the issues under debate or whether it includes any reasonable argument?

Best,
Leela
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sure leela,
your confusing posts and arguments, when you present reasonable arguments, then one has an opportunity to respond, here you are just posting your opinion, offering no argument, not a problem usually, however here you support another’s argument, in such a way as to expect that the real intended recipient of that opinion is not the person who you quoted in the text of the your previous message.
its a method by which one implies an argument without the need to present evidence in support of it

more commonly known as sniping
bad form.
 
Tellme_my_rites said:
Without God, atheists try to comprehend knowledge & understanding with their own finite minds. If their is a greater intelligence on other planets, what makes man so prideful so as to think that man will eventually learn or evolve to comprehend the knowledge the greater intelligence possesses? What makes an atheist think their own finite minds are capable of all the answers? Is it not quite possible that a mentally impaired man can know more about the unknown than a man of intelligence if the mentally impaired man has opened the door to the Spirit, allowing the Spirit to permeate his own spirit - while the man of intelligence remains closed to the Spirit’s knowledge and ways of understanding thorough the Spirit? Though man can learn more when he welcomes the Spirit, or the knowledge of a greater intelligence, man has to humbly admit with his finite mind he will never be able to grasp all the knowledge (most likely not even a majority of the knowledge) of a Being that is Infinite or of a being that has an intelligence well above the plane man’s finite mind sets.
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This is not an argument against atheism, it is an attack on the atheistic worldview.

Remember, “X is comforting” does not imply “X is true”.
 
warpspeedpetey said:
sure leela,
your confusing posts and arguments, when you present reasonable arguments, then one has an opportunity to respond, here you are just posting your opinion, offering no argument,…
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Hi Petey,

You are missing my point. You often post your view that someone else has not not made a reasonable argument. I’m saying that these posts of yours themselves do not include any resonable arguments. I wish you would take your own advice and not post these things.

I’m doing the best I can to make reasonable arguments. If you find something unreasonable, I wish you would adress the issue at hand instead of merely saying, “why don’t you try to make a reasonable argument?” I am asking that you try to be more charitable and trust that everyone here is trying the best they can to be reasonable.

Best,
Leela
 
Leela said:
Hi Petey,

You are missing my point. You often post your view that someone else has not not made a reasonable argument. I’m saying that these posts of yours themselves do not include any resonable arguments. I wish you would take your own advice and not post these things.

I’m doing the best I can to make reasonable arguments. If you find something unreasonable, I wish you would adress the issue at hand instead of merely saying, “why don’t you try to make a reasonable argument?” I am asking that you try to be more charitable and trust that everyone here is trying the best they can to be reasonable.

Best,
Leela
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this is me being charitable, i am direct by nature.

nor will i allow you to frame me as somehow unreasonable, by asking for as rationale.

assertions need some rationale here, thats how its done.

the argument of these posts you declaim ‘is’ that no argument, or rationale is being given for various assertions.

this post offers nothing but a personal attack.

please stick to argumentation:thumbsup:
 
Leela said:
Thoughts are not space, time, matter, or energy, and yet they are regularly experienced.
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‘thoughts’ are electro-chemical reactions occurring in the brain, they are indeed made of a physical substance.

you can find the direct interactions, in a neuroantatomy text,
 
Leela said:
Thoughts are not space, time, matter, or energy, and yet they are regularly experienced.
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WHAT?

I’m sorry, I thought thoughts were thought to be ENERGY spurts across neurons? (No redundency intended.)

Perhaps I was wrong.

JD
PS: How are you, Leela? You were missing for a time.
 
JDaniel said:
WHAT?

I’m sorry, I thought thoughts were thought to be ENERGY spurts across neurons? (No redundency intended.)

Perhaps I was wrong.

JD
PS: How are you, Leela? You were missing for a time.
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cute:) no they are actually chemicals, called neurotransmitters, that are “sprayed” across neural synapses:)
 
warpspeedpetey said:
cute:) no they are actually chemicals, called neurotransmitters, that are “sprayed” across neural synapses:)
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Thank you, sir, for clearing that up for me.

But do they not receive electrical stimulus to at least get the sparying started? And, inside them, are there no electronics taking place?

JD
 
JDaniel said:
Thank you, sir, for clearing that up for me.

But do they not receive electrical stimulus to at least get the sparying started? And, inside them, are there no electronics taking place?

JD
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yes there are electrical transmissions, but electrons are also physical, and the transmission occurs across the cell membrane, not inside that cell:)
 
JDaniel said:
Thank you, sir, for clearing that up for me.

But do they not receive electrical stimulus to at least get the sparying started? And, inside them, are there no electronics taking place?

JD
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Hi JD,

I can’t tell if you are being facecious or what. Are you really saying that thoughts can be reduced to matter or energy? If so, I disagree.

Best,
Leela
 
Leela said:
Hi JD,

I can’t tell if you are being facecious or what. Are you really saying that thoughts can be reduced to matter or energy? If so, I disagree.

Best,
Leela
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Hi, Leela:

Not me! I’d have to dig into some recent vintage science book and study-up on it.

I learned from someplace years ago that science defined thoughts as ordered charges, across neurons, in the brain (paraphrased). Now, I guess there’s a little bit more chemistry to it. (Don’t want to make those chemists mad!:bigyikes:

JD
 
ateista said:
That is not the point. If he saw it that this problem will come up, all he had to do is not promise it. As it is, it is an unkept promise. And that cannot be explained.
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Hello ateista:

I meant to add, that when Christ said the above line (paraphrased) to Thomas He actually did “handle” it. He said, “Thomas, you’re a nice fellow and because I like you, and because this may help future generations of disbelievers, I’m going to let you in on who I am.”

“BUT, blessed is he that believes in me but has not seen me.” (Paraphrased)

With all due respect, who are you to dictate how He will “handle” His creation from that point on? Seems presumptious to the point of arrogance.

I am not saying this necessarily of you, but, there are a number of people who would arrogantly place themselves above God by presumming that he “ought” to do thus and so - at their exquisite whim.

JD
 
Leela said:
Hi JD,

It sounds to me somewhat like dissecting a computer to try to understand the plot of a novel stored on the hard drive. You won’t find any thoughts by studying brains.

Best,
Leele
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i got a text on neuroanatomy right here.

thoughts are physical things, all electrons and chemicals
 
Leela said:
Hi JD,

It sounds to me somewhat like dissecting a computer to try to understand the plot of a novel stored on the hard drive. You won’t find any thoughts by studying brains.

Best,
Leele
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Hello, Leela:

Yessiree, can you imagine trying to count all of the thoughts an Einstein might have had riding around on those neurotransmitters?

Thoughts = meaning. Neurotransmitters = cars for meanings?

JD
 
JDaniel said:
Hello, Leela:

Yessiree, can you imagine trying to count all of the thoughts an Einstein might have had riding around on those neurotransmitters?

Thoughts = meaning. Neurotransmitters = cars for meanings?

JD
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meaning is achieved in specific ‘association’ areas of the brain, i can actually crack the text but i think that an argument ove r the whole of consciousness may be more productive in the philosophical sense, it is much less well defined
 
warpspeedpetey said:
meaning is achieved in specific ‘association’ areas of the brain, i can actually crack the text but i think that an argument ove r the whole of consciousness may be more productive in the philosophical sense, it is much less well defined
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Well, get on with it. Start a new post.😃

JD
 
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