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inJESUS
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sorry i didnt get it.
if you are bad or good, it depends on Allah’s mercy? or is it only when you are good that Allah will accept you?
And why is it demanding more than Christianity?
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if you are bad or good, it depends on Allah’s mercy? or is it only when you are good that Allah will accept you?
And why is it demanding more than Christianity?
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cestusdei
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Muslim,
I could name some Muslim cities where we can find drugs, alcohol, and prostitution. Guess there aren’t that many muslims eh? I can also name some Muslim cities where you will find none of those things. Just good muslims. Oh and they also have beheadings, stonings, torture, and repression. Yep, good muslims.
I could name some Muslim cities where we can find drugs, alcohol, and prostitution. Guess there aren’t that many muslims eh? I can also name some Muslim cities where you will find none of those things. Just good muslims. Oh and they also have beheadings, stonings, torture, and repression. Yep, good muslims.
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LilyM
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inJesus, with all respect, I have to point out we Catholics require all children of a marriage where even one party is Catholic to be raised as Catholics. The non-Catholic partner doesn’t need to participate in this, just not to hinder it. You’ll have to make your point a bit better.
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meedo
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Hello,
The salvation in Islam is described in an authenticated Hadeeth in Islam with the translation of its meaning as follows
‘’ Aim and approach ( the deeds that please Allah )’’
‘’ but know that No one will enter heaven by the earning of his deeds, except Allah grant him his mercy . ‘’
‘’ Not even you Prophet of Allah ?’’
‘’ Not even me , unless Allah bestows his mercy upon me’’
The rule is that Allah , even if we are perfect in worshipping and obeying him ( whcih is our duty ) , still is benovelent on us . and our deeds cannot match what we owe him no matter what we do . It is simply a way to be obedient to him and to make our lives better and also respecting him . But after all that , still he is benovelent on us by letting us be his worshippers and by creating us .
I hope i made the Islamic salvation plan a bit more clear .
regards
meedo
The above is a part of a hadeeth
The salvation in Islam is described in an authenticated Hadeeth in Islam with the translation of its meaning as follows
‘’ Aim and approach ( the deeds that please Allah )’’
‘’ but know that No one will enter heaven by the earning of his deeds, except Allah grant him his mercy . ‘’
‘’ Not even you Prophet of Allah ?’’
‘’ Not even me , unless Allah bestows his mercy upon me’’
The rule is that Allah , even if we are perfect in worshipping and obeying him ( whcih is our duty ) , still is benovelent on us . and our deeds cannot match what we owe him no matter what we do . It is simply a way to be obedient to him and to make our lives better and also respecting him . But after all that , still he is benovelent on us by letting us be his worshippers and by creating us .
I hope i made the Islamic salvation plan a bit more clear .
regards
meedo
The above is a part of a hadeeth
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Faith101
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peace
I think there are a lot of reasons people are introduced to Islam, whether its through someone in school, whether its a friend or a girlfriend-boyfriend type relationship, it may be a lecture they attended, it may be what they learn in a certain class, or what they choose to learn on their own.
But what causes people to accept Islam and actually start practicing and becomming very dedicated to it? Exoflare touched on it a little bit when he said simplicity. Although Islam is one of the hardest religions to practice, as it commands a great deal of self discipline and restraints… Islam appeals to one’s nature…its theology doesnt cause confusion, it is sooo natural…it becomes something like breathing…you dont know how you could have ever lived without it.
I think in today’s society, where people are literlaly worshipping their own desires, people are drawn to this idea of submitting to God, following HIS will.
With that said, God guides who He wills.
I think there are a lot of reasons people are introduced to Islam, whether its through someone in school, whether its a friend or a girlfriend-boyfriend type relationship, it may be a lecture they attended, it may be what they learn in a certain class, or what they choose to learn on their own.
But what causes people to accept Islam and actually start practicing and becomming very dedicated to it? Exoflare touched on it a little bit when he said simplicity. Although Islam is one of the hardest religions to practice, as it commands a great deal of self discipline and restraints… Islam appeals to one’s nature…its theology doesnt cause confusion, it is sooo natural…it becomes something like breathing…you dont know how you could have ever lived without it.
I think in today’s society, where people are literlaly worshipping their own desires, people are drawn to this idea of submitting to God, following HIS will.
With that said, God guides who He wills.
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cestusdei
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And if killing a convert to Christianity is a good deed in Islam…hmmm. I think I will stick with my God.
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Faith101
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I can’t go to Church with my family. It’s just an excuse for them to show off their best clothes. Apparently if your jeans are ratty God doesn’t listen to you. 
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I think that one of Satan’s tricks is to make us believe that some of our good deeds are only done for show. He can convince people not to go to the mosque or church using this method. Its like when you want to give charity and there are people around and your thinking “i dont want anyone to see, i dont want to do this for show, i want good intentions” and you *dont * donate. That is Satan’s trick…hes smart, we gotta be smarter
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I think that one of Satan’s tricks is to make us believe that some of our good deeds are only done for show. He can convince people not to go to the mosque or church using this method. Its like when you want to give charity and there are people around and your thinking “i dont want anyone to see, i dont want to do this for show, i want good intentions” and you *dont * donate. That is Satan’s trick…hes smart, we gotta be smarter
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cestusdei
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Is it a good deed in Islam to kill an “apostate”? Does it please Allah? Should Muslims do it?
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Faith101
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Because i believe many people have already explained the apostasy rule in Islam, i am not going to go into it now…but If you dont mind, can you tell us which book this could be found in?
“If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let **us go and worship other gods ** (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. **You must certainly put him to death. ** Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.”
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Faith101
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There is no *my * God and *your * God…there is One God, your either worshipping Him, or something else.
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Contarini
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And can you name me the Christian or Jewish government existing today where this law is taken literally?
Edwin
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Faith101
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You mean where this law is taken seriously.
Do yout think its a good thing that people are preferring secular law to that of the Bible? It says kill the apostate, no body does it. It says dont divorce, nodbody pays attention. Divine guidane easily swapped for human ideas?
In Islam there are rules for the punishment of apostacy. The verse in the Bible doesnt even supply rules, its a general statment to kill anyone who leave the faith.
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janG
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I take this teaching VERY seriously.
John 8:
[5] Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such. What do you say about her?"
[6] This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground.
[7] And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Or from the Old Testament:
Sirach 28:
[4] Does he have no mercy toward a man like himself,
and yet pray for his own sins?
Perhaps Jews and Christians are enlightened enough to realize God ALONE is the one who can read hearts and God ALONE is the judge of souls. Perhaps Jews and Christians are enlightened enough to realize that there will never be a utopian society on earth because this world is in the power of the evil one. Perhaps Jews and Christians are enlightened enough to realize that Mohammed’s declaration that a conversion away from Islam could disrupt his fantasy society so much that the apostate must be killed is simply an excuse to MURDER.
John 8:
[5] Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such. What do you say about her?"
[6] This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground.
[7] And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Or from the Old Testament:
Sirach 28:
[4] Does he have no mercy toward a man like himself,
and yet pray for his own sins?
Perhaps Jews and Christians are enlightened enough to realize God ALONE is the one who can read hearts and God ALONE is the judge of souls. Perhaps Jews and Christians are enlightened enough to realize that there will never be a utopian society on earth because this world is in the power of the evil one. Perhaps Jews and Christians are enlightened enough to realize that Mohammed’s declaration that a conversion away from Islam could disrupt his fantasy society so much that the apostate must be killed is simply an excuse to MURDER.
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Muslim
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i have been to a Church before, there are plenty of Churches where I live. I live in a Spanish part where everyones Catholic… problem is… on Sunday they go to Church…and the rest of the 6 days they are doing all the sinful stuff…
thats why i said that I have not seen any where I live and I did not generalize the entire population…
there are plenty of so called “muslims” who do drugs, have sex, drink, etc… including some of my closest friends… so i was talkign about NYC in general… not the entire Christian/Muslim population…
seriously, does anyone still believe in chastity and virginity til marriage? i know some people who wants to be ‘virgin’ until they are married, but they are in no way chaste… there is a difference if you get what I am saying…
in all honesty, i want a chaste girl…even if she lost her virginity…but its hard to find people like that… especially guys…my friends piss me off because they are hypocrites… both the Christian ones and the Muslim ones…
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cestusdei
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Faith,
Please answer the question: do you think killing apostates is okay? Most Muslims seem to think so.
We haven’t executed apostates in centuries. Can Islam claim that? You’ve heard about Abdul? I love it when you guys say “oh 1000 years ago…” when I can say “well today you Muslims…” When Muslims stop killing converts then you can talk about ancient history. Till then don’t change the subject.
Please answer the question: do you think killing apostates is okay? Most Muslims seem to think so.
We haven’t executed apostates in centuries. Can Islam claim that? You’ve heard about Abdul? I love it when you guys say “oh 1000 years ago…” when I can say “well today you Muslims…” When Muslims stop killing converts then you can talk about ancient history. Till then don’t change the subject.
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Contarini
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No, I don’t mean any such thing. I take the law seriously, but not literally. I take it as an expression of the soul-destroying consequences of turning one’s back on Truth.
No, but I think it’s a good thing that both Christians and Jews have a “New Testament” (in their case it’s the Talmud, which isn’t quite like the New Testament obviously but plays a somewhat similar role) that interprets the ancient Hebrew laws, generally in a more humane fashion (though you could read the book of Hebrews in the opposite direction).
The New Testament doesn’t give the same kind of precise rules that Jewish and Muslim traditions do. It provides principles instead, and Christians have developed over the centuries in how we understand those principles.
The New Testament doesn’t say kill the apostate. It says that vengeance belongs to God and we are to love our enemies.
And since that rule is strengthened in the NT, you are right that this is a huge problem.
Edwin
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Faith101
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cestusdei
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The story of the adulterous woman is in my Bible. Muslims can’t pick and choose what we have in our scripture. Jesus forgave and loved. Muhammed said “throw those stones”. You’ve read the hadith I am sure. With few exceptions Christian apostates have not been killed. Certainly in the last 500 years it has been exceedingly rare and usually a matter of State rather then Church. It really isn’t a part of our Tradition.
But it is integral to Islam. They did it in the beginning. They still do it today. When they stop it then they can talk. Until then they have some internal reform to do.
But it is integral to Islam. They did it in the beginning. They still do it today. When they stop it then they can talk. Until then they have some internal reform to do.
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Faith101
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