Auschwitz: Inside the Nazi State

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There were six million Jews and three million non-Jews, a total of nine million people consumed by the Holocaust. Does this series cover the non-Jews also who died in Aushchwitz?

There are Polish and Lithuanian Roman Catholics in my neighborhood who bear the concentration camp numbers tattooed on their arms, and one hangs around the Polish/American Club on Boston Street in South Boston. Does this series cover the Catholics who died in the Nazi death camps?
 
It describes the “de-evolution” of Auschwitz from concentration camp for Polish intellectuals, religious and political prisoners, its expansion to house Soviet prisoners of war and its ultimate transformation into a death factory to which Jews were sent for extermination. Watch the documentary–it reenacts the series of incremental steps taken by the Nazis that began with the Nazi’s dehumanization of Poles, Slavs, Jews and other “subhumans” and culminated in the Holocaust. For the record, as far as Poles were concerned, the Nazis murdered 3 million Polish Jews and 3 million Polish Catholics.
 
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There were six million Jews and three million non-Jews, a total of nine million people consumed by the Holocaust. Does this series cover the non-Jews also who died in Aushchwitz?

There are Polish and Lithuanian Roman Catholics in my neighborhood who bear the concentration camp numbers tattooed on their arms, and one hangs around the Polish/American Club on Boston Street in South Boston. Does this series cover the Catholics who died in the Nazi death camps?
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At least from the first installment, this isn’t like Shoah, which was nothing short of dishonest and diabolical in its attempt to blame Catholicism for the Holocaust and its depiction of Poland outside the Warsaw ghetto as relatively free and safe in contradiction to historical fact. In that propaganda piece, the Nazis were an afterthought. This film appears to focus on the Nazis and their actions in erecting the machinery and culture of death.
 
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Bill_A:
The Catholic Holocaust never happend.
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please explain, as someone with polish grandparents who survived the nazis i would be most interested in your mistaken belief
 
What I mean is. No body talks about it. People say the Jewish Holocaust never happend but they have memorials. We dont. When People goto the Death Camps. No one mentions how many catholics died.
 
I watched that show too. One question I had is who were the Russian prisoners of war?
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Bill_A:
What I mean is. No body talks about it. People say the Jewish Holocaust never happend but they have memorials. We dont. When People goto the Death Camps. No one mentions how many catholics died.
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While the graphic car-crash accident documentaries they showed us in the 8th grade were optional, the graphic Holocaust documentary ‘Autumn Fog’ was mandatory viewing in the 11th grade and Autumn Fog showed nuns walking in those lines headed into the concentration camps.

Also the Holocaust didn’t happen in this country although some people act like it did.
 
I saw parts of the show and something that struck me as odd was the fact that when they were showing dramatizations of the transcripts of meetings that the Nazi’s held they and the speakers speaking German with subtitles but every other time someone was speaking a foreign language it was dubbed over by the translator.

That struck me as odd. It also appeared to me that they were pushing the idea that only Jews died in the Holocaust.

I will add that I did learn something about Slovakia and their being an ally of Germany and that they sent Jews to the concentration camps.
 
st julie:
I watched that show too. One question I had is who were the Russian prisoners of war?
st julie
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The Soviet Union and Germany were allies who made a deal to attack Poland (Germany from the West and Soviet Union from the East) Hilter later betrayed Stalin and invaded the Soviet Union–hence the Russian prisoners of war. By the way, Polish Underground accounts when talking about the Holocaust indicate that Polish efforts to help the Jews were not made easier by the fact that some Jews in the Eastern part of Poland cheered and aided the Soviet invaders.

polandsholocaust.org/memoir2.html
 
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ByzCath:
I saw parts of the show and something that struck me as odd was the fact that when they were showing dramatizations of the transcripts of meetings that the Nazi’s held they and the speakers speaking German with subtitles but every other time someone was speaking a foreign language it was dubbed over by the translator.

That struck me as odd. It also appeared to me that they were pushing the idea that only Jews died in the Holocaust.

I will add that I did learn something about Slovakia and their being an ally of Germany and that they sent Jews to the concentration camps.
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Well, with respect to Auschwitz, it de-evolved to become a death factory primarily for Jews. This is not to say that millions of Catholics weren’t killed by the Nazis in a variety of ways. I know that in my father’s hometown, the Nazis killed dozens of Poles for every Nazi killed by the Polish underground and the Nazis would often round up large groups of people and shoot them or even hang them from lampposts. The Soviets, of course, did much of the same and executed 10,000+ Polish officers in Katyn, for instance.
 
Kevin Walker:
While the graphic car-crash accident documentaries they showed us in the 8th grade were optional, the graphic Holocaust documentary ‘Autumn Fog’ was mandatory viewing in the 11th grade and Autumn Fog showed nuns walking in those lines headed into the concentration camps.

Also the Holocaust didn’t happen in this country although some people act like it did.
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There are important and central lessons to be learned, but regarding some people who act like it did, most of them or their leaders did nothing to help, even when the extent of the Nazi’s Final Solution was known. Jan Karski and Jan Nowak, were members of the Polish underground, who were couriers from Poland who came to the West and apprised Western leaders of the facts of what was going on.
 
If you get a chance, go see the play, “Edith Stein.” This play definitely shows Catholics getting gassed in Aushwitz. The whole play is about whether Edith Stein was martyred because she was a Jew or a Catholic. It’s a fantastic, very moving play, excellent for teenagers to see. The story of Edith Stein’s conversion from Judaism to Catholic Christianity is riveting. Very intellectual play, a good one for long discussions afterward.
 
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swampfox:
… its attempt to blame Catholicism for the Holocaust and its depiction of Poland outside the Warsaw ghetto as relatively free and safe …
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My parents, who were Catholic and lived nowhere near the Warsaw ghetto, spent six years in a Nazi concentration camp and that is where they actually met.
 
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My parents, who were Catholic and lived nowhere near the Warsaw ghetto, spent six years in a Nazi concentration camp and that is where they actually met.
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My father was a prisoner of war of the Nazis and my mother was in a labor camp. They met, as many did, in a displaced persons camp after the War.

Exactly my point about “Shoah” which purposely painted a false picture of Poland under Nazi occupation. To the creator of that film, Lanzmann, who was in many respects the equivalent of Michael Moore when it comes to the immoral use of the documentary to present a political bias as truth, only Jews suffered under Nazi occupation and the Nazis’ abuses of Poles outside the Warsaw ghetto were largely ignored and certainly minimized.
 
The Holocaust tugs at me in so many ways. It is unbelievable what human can do to human in the name of an ideal. At this point I am reading ‘The Devil’s Doctor…Felix Kerston and the secret plot to turn Himmler against Hitler’ by John H. Waller.

This Felix, who was Himmler’s masseur, influenced Himmler in many ways. He himself seemed to have saved many, many Jews or other prisonners in the concentration camps for humanitarian reasons. He was shocked and appalled at Himmler’s inhumanity. But he remained with Himmler and became his confidante which put him in a very precarious but optimal position to do so.

Blessings,
Shoshana
 
There is not a doubt in my mind that millions of others died besides the Jews, including Catholics, gypsies, mentally handicapped people, ect. however, we cannot deny that the Germans did detest the Jewish race, and they were the primary target of the Nazis.

the aspect of Holocaust education that truly bothers me however, (and I am in high school, and have been learning about it each year since fifth grade) is that there is always the underlying tone of belief that the Catholics were in some way responsible for it. Some people outright accuse the pope of supporting it, others simply say he was completely indifferent. When I try to correct people on this point, people rarely believe me, even fellow Catholics! Even when the present pope made his apology in 2000, there was a political fiasco because he did not specifically mention the Holocaust. allow me to point out, esp. for those who did not already know this

Germany was greatly against the election of Pope Pius XII in 1939
Pius XII spoke strongly against the Third Reich, often on German soil
he smuggled forged documents of Christianity to Jews to allow them to escape Germany to the US or Britain, who had limited the immegration of Jews
he stopped the deportation of thousands of Jews in various countries
when Germany took over Italy, he ordered every religious house to be opened to hide Jews, even those who were previously only allowed to admit a few outsiders
as a result only 8,000 Jews were deported from Germany, less than half of the other European Nations
Golda Meir, one of the most well known Zionists, made a note of thanks for his efforts when he died

I don’t understand how people are so ill informed?!
 
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luvthelight:
There is not a doubt in my mind that millions of others died besides the Jews, including Catholics, gypsies, mentally handicapped people, ect. however, we cannot deny that the Germans did detest the Jewish race, and they were the primary target of the Nazis.

the aspect of Holocaust education that truly bothers me however, (and I am in high school, and have been learning about it each year since fifth grade) is that there is always the underlying tone of belief that the Catholics were in some way responsible for it. Some people outright accuse the pope of supporting it, others simply say he was completely indifferent. When I try to correct people on this point, people rarely believe me, even fellow Catholics! Even when the present pope made his apology in 2000, there was a political fiasco because he did not specifically mention the Holocaust. allow me to point out, esp. for those who did not already know this

Germany was greatly against the election of Pope Pius XII in 1939
Pius XII spoke strongly against the Third Reich, often on German soil
he smuggled forged documents of Christianity to Jews to allow them to escape Germany to the US or Britain, who had limited the immegration of Jews
he stopped the deportation of thousands of Jews in various countries
when Germany took over Italy, he ordered every religious house to be opened to hide Jews, even those who were previously only allowed to admit a few outsiders
as a result only 8,000 Jews were deported from Germany, less than half of the other European Nations
Golda Meir, one of the most well known Zionists, made a note of thanks for his efforts when he died

I don’t understand how people are so ill informed?!
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They are ill-informed because of propaganda tracts like “Shoah” and a biased presentation of the subject in the public schools and in the MSM. I’ll bet that even you didn’t know of Polish underground documents that indicated the behavior of some Jews in Eastern Poland in welcoming and cheering and aiding the Soviet invaders were making it difficult to engender sympathy for the plight of Jews under the Nazis.
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members.core.com/~mikerose/waryears.htm
 
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