Aussie troops. going into Marawi

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I’m puzzled at what training and intelligence the aussies can really give to local troops.

It’s probably more of a training opportunity for the Australians than a benefit to the Philippines.
 
Surprised it’s you all and not the US rushing in there.
Hope that if any troops are sent, they are able to resolve this quickly and with minimum casualties.
 
Shouldn’t be a surprise.

ISIS is gaining a foothold in the Pacific. We are helping a neighbour.

Not released what form it’s going to take yet.

But guess who led the charge into Baghdad? The. Aussie SAS.
 
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Theo520 said:
I’m puzzled at what training and intelligence the aussies can really give to local troops.

It’s probably more of a training opportunity for the Australians than a benefit to the Philippines.
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You don’t think we have a military? With training , weapons, fighting capability?

I am puzzled you think this.
 
Theo520 said:
I’m puzzled at what training and intelligence the aussies can really give to local troops.

It’s probably more of a training opportunity for the Australians than a benefit to the Philippines.
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It is perhaps natural that in general Americans may be misinformed. Aside from which, war and conflict is tragic. You comment sounded a little patronizing, though I’m sure you meant no offense. 🙂

thetoptens.com/most-well-trained-special-forces/australian-sas-683698.asp

abc.net.au/news/2016-04-23/soldiers-undergo-intensive-training-before-iraq-deployment/7352536

quora.com/What-do-American-soldiers-think-of-Australian-soldiers

theaustralian.com.au/news/world/no-finer-soldier-in-the-world-how-the-yanks-saw-the-digger/news-story/2f98ba75e96ff74130cd155ecf307ef8

You may not be aware, but Australians fought and died in Afghanistan, and are excellent soldiers. They also have trained local troops there, and my nephew represented his battalion standing by the coffins of five Australian victims of rogue Afghan soldiers who turned on them suddenly one morning.
My nephew was one of the many Australian soldiers, a combat engineer, searching and disabling IEDs. I understand that Australian forces being fighting alongside American troops might not receive recognition in the United States, but nevertheless, they fought in Vietnam, and in every other major conflict.
 
I wouldn’t get too excited about Australians leading the charge. I think the following sentence from the article sums it up.

“(Australian) Special forces soldiers would not have a combat role, but would support and advise local troops.”

Our special forces have often had advisory roles, and we don’t use our special forces as shock troops. They’re too valuable for that.

They’re far more often used in surveillance roles, as are the British SAS and no doubt the US Green Berets. Half the time the enemy wouldn’t even know they were there.
 
Bob_Crowley said:
I wouldn’t get too excited about Australians leading the charge. I think the following sentence from the article sums it up.

“(Australian) Special forces soldiers would not have a combat role, but would support and advise local troops.”

Our special forces have often had advisory roles, and we don’t use our special forces as shock troops. They’re too valuable for that.

They’re far more often used in surveillance roles, as are the British SAS and no doubt the US Green Berets. Half the time the enemy wouldn’t even know they were there.
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You will perhaps forgive some skepticism here. The government SAYS they’re not going to be in combat roles. Supposedly, neither are most of the U.S. troops in Iraq and Syria. But now and then some of them get killed. They might not be at the very “tip of the spear”, but they’re part of the alloy.

Not putting Aussies down here. They’re among the world’s best.
 
Very confusing.

I thought the United States was the bad guy for going into other countries.

Now … Australia???

The Philippines asked the United States to leave … so the USA moved out.

Now, The Philippines need outside troops?
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Very confusing.

I thought the United States was the bad guy for going into other countries.

Now … Australia???

The Philippines asked the United States to leave … so the USA moved out.

Now, The Philippines need outside troops?
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Australian troops are there in an advisory capacity only. And you wouldn’t know what the US military might be doing in the Phillippines, at least in an advisory role. Intelligence services and the Military tend to play this sort of thing pretty close to their chest.

Lifted from the Australian War Memorial Website regarding Vietnam -
The arrival of the Australian Army Training Team Vietnam (AATTV) in South Vietnam during July and August 1962 was the beginning of Australia’s involvement in the Vietnam War.
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You can bet the Australian public didn’t know about this at the time. They’d have found out later when more troops were sent, but the initial involvement would have been kept very quiet. As it turned out we were there for the next eleven years.
 
Duterte should have pretended that the Maute Group were drug dealers. They’d have all been dead by now if he had.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Very confusing.

I thought the United States was the bad guy for going into other countries.

Now … Australia???

The Philippines asked the United States to leave … so the USA moved out.

Now, The Philippines need outside troops?
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The rise of ISIS in Singapore is a threat to Singapore and our region.

Australia and the United States, along with New Zealand, are bound by the ANZUS treaty. We are obliged by the treaty to support each other in conflicts, and in peace-keeping where possible. Therefore there is nothing new in Australian military serviceperson activity over the past many decades. We were always there, even if the majority of Americans, naturally primarily concerned about the safety and success of their military personnel have remained unaware of Australian service and sacrifices.

It is our safety and our danger to be tied to U.S. actions Truly, we would prefer to stay out of conflicts.
The united State has need of allies in this region, or otherwise we probably wouldn’t be on American ‘radar’ at all.
It would be preferable for us to be isolationist, if that meant we could be safe from the consequences of others’ conflicts, if that is still possible in this world. Sadly not. Nowhere is safe any longer.

Our nearest northern neighbour is Indonesia, very near neighbour, predominantly Muslim, many good people but also potential terrorist elements…remembering also the Bali bombing by terrorists whose victims included and targeted Australian victims.

Every morning I check the news in case someone somewhere has plunged us all into open war. Threats are made against us even merely for being allies of the United States.
All of us except those who provide the actions and the rhetoric of war, can only hold our breath…and pray. God save us all…please
 
China is huge, and its power is growing. Vietnam is not huge, but its military power is growing. Both are savage regimes.

Indonesia and Malaysia could go “Islamic radical” at any time. One hopes not, but it’s certainly possible.

Russia is an aggressive and powerful potential adversary in both the west and the east.

European nations’ capabilities and resolve may be questioned, except perhaps for Poland. It has resolve, but its capabilities are limited. Japan’s military capabilities are slowly increasing, but it has other barriers to participating in guarding the region.

That leaves the “Anglosphere” as the “one power” capable of deterring some of the worst regimes and movements in history. Without it, this world would be a far worse charnel house than it is.

One trusts that someday Poland’s capabilities will modernize to join with the Anglosphere, with which Poland seems to have an affinity and similar resolve. But that’s not today.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
You don’t think we have a military? With training , weapons, fighting capability?

I am puzzled you think this.
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You think the Aussie military has superior intelligence on Philippine villages and how to fight ISIS in the Philippines? Outside of books written by the Philippines, where would your military gain such intelligence.

On the other hand, your troops participating is excellent experience and training for your troops.

If you disagree, please elaborate on what you bring to the table.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Very confusing.

I thought the United States was the bad guy for going into other countries.

Now … Australia???
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Looks like we were invited by the local government. That is very different than choosing to go in because we don’t like the government.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
Russia is an aggressive and powerful potential adversary in both the west and the east.
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Russia is aggressive?

Russia is surrounded by Nato bases. Something Nato promised not to do.
The United States is NOT surrounded by Russian military bases.

Yet, Americans always tell me how aggressive Russia is. Maybe they’re just responding the behaviour of the US and Western Europe. If someone set up gun bases all around my house I know I’d be alarmed.
Theo520 said:
You think the Aussie military has superior intelligence on Philippine villages and how to fight ISIS in the Philippines? Outside of books written by the Philippines, where would your military gain such intelligence.

On the other hand, your troops participating is excellent experience and training for your troops.

If you disagree, please elaborate on what you bring to the table.
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The Philippines accepted our offer of help. Given the offer was advisory only, they clearly think that we will be of benefit to them. Either that or they care about providing training to the Australian military. That seems unlikely.

Whilst you might not be aware of the capability of our military, as a local player in the region the Philippines would be very aware of the quality of assistance we provide.
 
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Theo,

what bubble are you living in?

Did you know that Australia has been participating in global dust ups ever since we first settled. In fact , Australian troops, conscripted in the Brit army, in Canada,

Burnt part of the White House.

We got skills , mate 🐨😎

We don’t just throw prawns on the barbie 🍤



Our intelligence network is too busy gathering intelligence to read tourist guide books on the set up of our neighbours.

https://www.awm.gov.au/visit/exhibitions/iraq/sas
 
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