Australian police get information on alleged Vatican funds transfer amid Pell case

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Cutting and pasting a link does not account for why Cardinal Pell was acquitted.
 
You said he wasn’t found innocent. As the link shows, in Australia (as in all jurisdictions in the Anglo Saxon world) you are innocent unless proved to the contrary beyond reasonable doubt. The final verdict was that a reasonable doubt existed and he is therefore presumed innocent.
 
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You said he wasn’t found innocent. As the link shows, in Australia (as in all jurisdictions in the Anglo Saxon world) you are innocent unless proved to the contrary beyond reasonable doubt. The final verdict was that a reasonable doubt existed and he is therefore presumed innocent.
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No he was not found innocent, that is not why he was acquitted. If the High Court had indeed found him innocent , they would have issued that, It was not their job to find him innocent or guilty. It was their job to see if he had a fair trial and if all the evidence presented was up to scratch and beyond reasonable doubt.

You must get away from the idea that the High Court was convened and looked into his case due to an innocent/guilty dichotomy, it wasn’t. That is the job for a criminal trial with a jury.

I repeat the reason for the acquittal was given as
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The High Court found that the unanimous jury that convicted him in 2018 “ought to have entertained a doubt as to the applicant’s guilt with respect to each of the offences for which he was convicted,” and it ordered that verdicts of acquittal be entered
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This High Court appeal did not ask whether Pell committed the offences. It asked whether the two majority judges in the Victorian Court of Appeal, in dismissing Pell’s earlier appeal, made an error about the nature of the correct legal principles, or their application.

There is a huge difference and it was all about legal technicalities.
 
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they would have issued that,
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No they would not. “Innocent “ isn’t an option. There is only guilty beyond reasonable doubt , or not.

Sorry but you should not make legal statements if you have no legal training.
 
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No they would not. “Innocent “ isn’t an option. There is only guilty beyond reasonable doubt , or not.

Sorry but you should not make legal statements if you have no legal training.
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Maximian, what do you know of the High Court in Australia and what do you know of why the High Court granted Cardinal Pell special leave to appeal.
I am happy to have this legal discussion with you, It has to be correct though and not based on some misunderstanding of why Cardinal Pell was granted leave to appeal, and on what basis he won his appeal.
There are civil law suits and civil actions going through the courts regarding Cardinal Pell now so we really need to be careful about what and how we discuss things as so much information has been redacted for several reasons, including the civil law suits.
 
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We have had a few and very nice posters here in CAF from Australia, very involved with the Church . We kind of participated in their distress about all these events through them . Not that we could do much beyond listening and praying. But it was obvious they were affected by what was going on
Glad to hear you are somehow coming together now and hoping you’ll make it through
 
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Thankyou graciew. Its a never ending story for us, it just keeps on giving as they say. We must respect all involved and work to support them in any way they need. We Catholics are really hoping Pope Francis will appoint Australia a new Cardinal very soon, as Cardinal Pell is retired. Our Nuncio has Covid and is the first Covid case in Canberra for quite some time. He was recently with Pope Francis, so God willing, Pope Francis wont have contracted covid from him.
it is going to be a great victory if the Archbishop , for the Catholic Church, and the publicans, for the hotels, some eateries, and pubs in Victoria , have a win together for the further opening up of Victoria in the face of Covid.
 
Stop buying into conspiracy theories. You are cutting and pasting a very old article too.
 
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The Victorian police put out public advertisements for people to come forward with any damning allegations against Cardinal Pell. The trials derived from that source.

The Victorian Police have been alleged to be corrupt and anti Catholic.
 
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The Victorian police put out public advertisements for people to come forward with any damning allegations against Cardinal Pell. The trials derived from that source.

The Victorian Police have been alleged to be corrupt and anti Catholic.
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The alleged bribe , according to the media, is to the father of the boy who died of a heroin overdose in 2013. It was not alleged to be to Victoria police. Note the term alleged, the only ones who claimed it happened so far are the media, with the bribees denying it and the police finding nothing suspicious or concrete enough to investigate .

Given as a body, there are catholics in Victoria Police the entire force cannot be anti catholic. That makes no sense at all.

There were and still are, a lot of rumours flying around about different members of the clergy. Victoria police have put out requests for people to come forward on quite a few names. The response has not been an overwhelming avalanche.

The call police put out in regard to the Cathedral in Melbourne was part of the Sano Taskforce and was this

In a statement on Wednesday, Sgt Sharon Darcy said detectives from the Sano taskforce wanted to speak to anyone who was a victim of sexual assault at the cathedral, or who knew of sexual assaults at the cathedral, between 1996 and 2001.
That is not specific to one member of the clergy. It is a general call for people to come forward. Thats what happens in an investigation like that.

Here is a link to the reason and tasking of the Sano Task Force.


Accuracy is key here, rather then conspiracy rumours. They dont help us Catholics trying to pick up the pieces in Victoria.
 
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Umamibella, the prosecution of Cardinal Pell was a disgrace and the Victorian Police and the media played their part (quite a large part) in that. The fact that the high court unanimously found that Cardinal Pell should not have been found guilty after so much media frenzy and mis-reporting, and working with Victorian police ‘sources’ to frame a narrative are exactly the pieces that need to be picked up.

To pick up those pieces, you have to shine a light on those ‘officials’ cheer leading to an unprofessional degree for the prosecution of Cardinal Pell.

Until that is done, the pieces are simply left in place.

Yes the police can be anti Catholic and yes that does make sense. Otherwise i assume you would be saying that those police forces in Minneapolis and Portland can’t have any anti black prejudice?

Royal commission ‘possibly needed’ into the (police) handling of the George Pell case

GREG CRAVEN criticizes police actions and media ABC 7TH APRIL 2020

HOW BUNGLING POLICE PERSECUTED PELL. CALL INQUIRY NOW

Court hears police targeted Vatican’s Pell before formal allegations made
 
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“News Channel: On 1 October 2020, Cardinal George Pell was described as ‘disgraced’ in bottom of the screen text during a news bulletin. The ABC recognises this was inappropriate in light of his successful appeal and acquittal by the High Court of his previous conviction for child sexual abuse.”


Thankfully people are keeping up the pressure on this kind of deliberate ‘slip up’ still trying to ‘get Pell’.
 
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Thankfully people are keeping up the pressure on this kind of deliberate ‘slip up’ still trying to ‘get Pell’.
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The whole get Pell thing is done and dusted. Its over all but the civil suits.
 
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