Author of Golden Compass says: "My books are about killing God". (sick)

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I wonder how much of radio, TV, and internet is produced by people who also want to undermine religious belief but who simply don’t say anything about it.😉
 
Adonis33 said:
Interesting take.

I will not watch the movie - but I think boycott’s tend to backfire. Maybe if we just ignored it…
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I think you are right. Ignore, in the sense, making an issue out of it publicly. However, not ignoring it in the sense as to make the children in our lives understand the detriment of this movie, and why we shouldn’t be viewing it…wasting our money on the degradation of our faith.

An interesting thing though…on Relevant Radio this morning, there was an author on…who talks about Pullman, and this story. And how he supposedly is poking fun at all religions…even at atheists. Just poking fun at the basic demise of man, and how mankind is so foolish to follow anything, really. I thought that was an unusual take. Not remembering everything–I don’t recall if he said this, or this was her conclusion? Anyone listen to this morning’s "Morning Air’ show?
 
Contarini said:
Then I’m not sure what we are arguing about. (I have nothing against a “boycott” in the sense of just not going to see the movie–I’m torn between wanting to see what they have done with it and enjoy what promises to be an imaginative movie, and not wanting to “vote” in favor of Pullman–since I haven’t seen many movies in the theater recently, the latter is going to win, I think. But we agree that kicking up a public fuss, as if Hollywood were violating our rights by making the movie, is the wrong way to go.) You didn’t like it when I spoke as if you were talking about what you would do with regard to your own children (if you have any, which is none of my business).

My views about outthinking the devil, and indeed my response to this entire issue, is/are shaped by personal experience, and I should probably back off. My remarks have been more pointed than they should have been, and I apologize. I have very strong feelings about Christians trying to shelter their children (as opposed to giving them a healthy environment, which as I said I consider to be something quite different).

Edwin
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Hi edwin;

I agree on not sheltering children, to the point where they don’t know much about the world, when they get out into it. That, I agree with. And, part of the real world will be that people do not believe in God, and want others to disbelieve also. Part of the real world will mean many ugly things. I think when I explain this movie to my kids, and it really has become a non issue in my home now, is …why should we spend money…or better yet…give our money to someone who pokes fun at our faith? Who is getting probably pretty rich off of this type of thing? They get that. I am pretty open minded, with many movies. For example, we all watched V for Vendetta as a family. Unbeknownst to me, there were Catholic undertones of bashing …and the whole homosexual girl theme that ran through it…but homosexuality is in our world. The movie wasn’t glamourizing homosexuality, it was more showing that there are people who hate them, and kill them just for being homosexual. I loved that movie. Do I condone killing, like V did? (not sure if you saw this movie) No, of course not. But, that movie was more of a satire on life…I thought. Well done.

I will say though when it comes to movies that are direct assaults on our faith–it would send a rather mixed message to our kids, if on the one hand, we go to Church, and learn how to better Disciples of Christ…and on the other, I’m paying to go see a movie that teaches the counter opposite. That’s really more where I come from with this whole thing.
 
just a question here: If the author declares himself an atheist…well…and if he is wanting to kill God. Wouldn’t that sentence be an oxymoron? By declaring his wanting to kill God, he admits that there is a God. So, he can’t be an atheist. Right or wrong?🤷
 
jediliz said:
interesting question Shoshana. The thing is, he’s not admitting God exists, at least that’s not how I see it.

I don’t know if this has been posted, but here’s an article from Catholic Online:

catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=25927&page=1

Anyone who hates Narnia is disturbed, in my eyes anyway.
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He may not have admitted that God exists but wanting to kill Him is a statement of admitting of His existance, right? You cannot kill nothing that does not exist. Unless an atheist does believe in God but that would be an oxymoron, right?
 
I think he wants children (with not very good holds on their faith if they have any) to want to kill GOD, especially since what I’ve read is that God is portrayed as wrong in the “fall” and the Devil was “right”. He wants to KILL GOD so God doesn’t exist for HIM, understand? This is confusing.
 
Shoshana said:
just a question here: If the author declares himself an atheist…well…and if he is wanting to kill God. Wouldn’t that sentence be an oxymoron? By declaring his wanting to kill God, he admits that there is a God. So, he can’t be an atheist. Right or wrong?🤷
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And if God is God, then who can kill God??:confused: If something can be killed, then it must not be the real God (excluding Jesus, of course).
 
bones_IV said:
Unfortunately, the film’s makers have an agenda. The film is based on the works of author Phil Pullman, who has written a series of entertaining stories called “His Dark Materials.” In his own words: "‘I’m trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief,’ says Pullman. ‘Mr. Lewis [C.S. Lewis, author of *The Chronicles of Narnia
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] would think I was doing the devil’s work.’"Well, duh, of course C.S. Lewis would think that. If you’re “trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief,” then you ARE doing the Devil’s work. That IS his work – to destroy souls by destroying faith, hope, and charity.

Although, I don’t know how one “undermines a basis.” It would seem that one undermines something by destroying its foundation or basis. If the basis is based on something else, then it’s not really the basis, is it? I would expect a professional writer to be a little more precise. 😉
 
deb1 said:
I agree with much of what you have written.

My problem is with those parents who say, “It is only fiction.” The belief is that no harm can come from such a book and they don’t prepare or discuss the novel with their child.
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Absolutely. That line drives me up the wall as well.

Edwin
 
Shoshana said:
Code:
He may not have admitted that God exists but wanting to kill Him is a statement of admitting of His existance, right? You cannot kill nothing that does not exist. Unless an atheist does believe in God but that would be an oxymoron, right?
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He might be implying that he wants to ‘kill’ God in the hearts and minds of others…he doesn’t believe in God, and wants others to jump on his bandwagon. That could be?🤷
 
I wouldn’t try and apply too much logic to Pullman. He’s clearly nuts. Not “I can’t speak in sentences nuts”, but more “Martin Luther/Joker from Batman” nuts, which is much more dangerous.

He doesn’t believe in God, but if God DOES exist, He wants Him dead, esp. in the minds of men.

The best news yet is that the movie is being panned by critics.
 
He_Man said:
I wouldn’t try and apply too much logic to Pullman. He’s clearly nuts. Not “I can’t speak in sentences nuts”, but more “Martin Luther/Joker from Batman” nuts, which is much more dangerous.

He doesn’t believe in God, but if God DOES exist, He wants Him dead, esp. in the minds of men.

The best news yet is that the movie is being panned by critics.
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I don’t think Martin Luther was ‘nuts,’ per se, just an example of another self centered person, who wanted religion ‘his’ way. Although, when he broke away from the Church, there were abuses happening…
 
whatevergirl said:
I don’t think Martin Luther was ‘nuts,’ per se, just an example of another self centered person, who wanted religion ‘his’ way. Although, when he broke away from the Church, there were abuses happening…
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As always, though. It makes you wonder whether he would have followed Christ at all, if he had lived contemporary with Judas Iscariot. 🤷
 
jmcrae said:
As always, though. It makes you wonder whether he would have followed Christ at all, if he had lived contemporary with Judas Iscariot. 🤷
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I think that Luther felt a close relationship with Christ, his ‘beef’ was with how the RCC conducted itself, and he didn’t agree that all of its teachings came from Christ. Thus, now we have how many spin off religions thanks to Luther? I don’t know if he could have imagined the real damage he was doing back then, but all in all, that is my take from researching him. He was fed up with the RCC’s abuses by their clergy (ie: people paying for indulgences, etc) and didn’t believe that the faith was brought to us by Jesus Himself. If you talk to anyone who is Lutheran, they will tell you that their beliefs are ‘not that far off from the RCC,’ but they don’t believe in ‘worshipping’ Mary, or ‘in confession.’ (among other differences) What they miss is the fullness of their faith, which can only be found through the RCC’s teachings, in my humble opinion. It’s not that Lutherans have less of a relationship with Christ than Catholics–there could be more devout Christians in some Lutheran circles, than in some RCC parishes. But, the*** fullness ***of their faith is lacking.
 
whatevergirl said:
I think that Luther felt a close relationship with Christ, his ‘beef’ was with how the RCC conducted itself, and he didn’t agree that all of its teachings came from Christ. Thus, now we have how many spin off religions thanks to Luther? I don’t know if he could have imagined the real damage he was doing back then, but all in all, that is my take from researching him. He was fed up with the RCC’s abuses by their clergy (ie: people paying for indulgences, etc) and didn’t believe that the faith was brought to us by Jesus Himself. If you talk to anyone who is Lutheran, they will tell you that their beliefs are ‘not that far off from the RCC,’ but they don’t believe in ‘worshipping’ Mary, or ‘in confession.’ (among other differences) What they miss is the fullness of their faith, which can only be found through the RCC’s teachings, in my humble opinion. It’s not that Lutherans have less of a relationship with Christ than Catholics–there could be more devout Christians in some Lutheran circles, than in some RCC parishes. But, the*** fullness ***of their faith is lacking.
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Check out the CDs on Luther by Ken Hensley (former Lutheran minister, now Catholic speaker).

Luther definitely went nuts. He had serious issues with authoiryt, and had issues from his youuth with his father, which is redirected onto his heavenly Father.

And the older he got, the crazier he became.
 
Shoshana said:
He may not have admitted that God exists but wanting to kill Him is a statement of admitting of His existance, right? You cannot kill nothing that does not exist. Unless an atheist does believe in God but that would be an oxymoron, right?
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Perhaps this is evidence of hope for Pullman.Deep down, despite his claims not to, he must have some inkling of doubt about his own beliefs(nonbelieves:confused: ) Maybe it isn’t God he is fighting against but his own internal doubts. If so, then our prayers are a very good thing for Pullman.
 
He_Man said:
Check out the CDs on Luther by Ken Hensley (former Lutheran minister, now Catholic speaker).

Luther definitely went nuts. He had serious issues with authoiryt, and had issues from his youuth with his father, which is redirected onto his heavenly Father.

And the older he got, the crazier he became.
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I will listen to them…thanks.
 
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