Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

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As much as I disagree with the content of the book I think it is scary when someone in the U.S. is arrested simply for writing something. There are no pictures in the book, nor is he speaking from personal experience.

Remember, the First Amendment also protects speech you may not agree with.
 
“Philip R. Greaves II Arrested After Mailing Book to Undercover Officers in Florida”
And yet, NAMBLA is still on the web, and they have never been arrested.

Wait a few years, Greaves will retitle the book, find an audience and a new “arrest proof” point of sale.
 
As much as I disagree with the content of the book I think it is scary when someone in the U.S. is arrested simply for writing something. There are no pictures in the book, nor is he speaking from personal experience.

Remember, the First Amendment also protects speech you may not agree with.
But the First Amendment does not protect speech which will incite violence, such as giving a ‘how-to’ book about statutory rape/sexual assault of a minor. If it is reasonable and foreseeable to the average person that someone will use this material for ‘violence’ (and I think we can safely agree that rape, whether physical or statutory, can be considered 'violence), than it is not protected speech.
 
But the First Amendment does not protect speech which will incite violence, such as giving a ‘how-to’ book about statutory rape/sexual assault of a minor. If it is reasonable and foreseeable to the average person that someone will use this material for ‘violence’ (and I think we can safely agree that rape, whether physical or statutory, can be considered 'violence), than it is not protected speech.
The First Amendment says nothing about specific types of speech that will incite violence, etc. Also, who can we let make those judgment calls? I’ve read plenty of fiction with reference to violence, rape etc, and not all of it shows it in a negative light.

Suggesting that a book would get otherwise moral people to commit evil things is preposterous. A person who is going to molest a child doesn’t need to read a book to do so.
 
The First Amendment says nothing about specific types of speech that will incite violence, etc. Also, who can we let make those judgment calls? I’ve read plenty of fiction with reference to violence, rape etc, and not all of it shows it in a negative light.

Suggesting that a book would get otherwise moral people to commit evil things is preposterous. A person who is going to molest a child doesn’t need to read a book to do so.
You are correct - there is no mention of that in the Bill of Rights. However, in the Supreme Court’s interpretation of “Freedom to Speech”, they found that speech that incites violence is not protected, such as yelling ‘Fire’ in a crowded movie theater and patrons being injured trying to flee. Or if you are protesting that people should go blow up the Capitol building while it is in session, even if you personally have no plans to. There are limits to free speech.

And you are confusing the content contained in some books, such as rape, to an actual manual/how-to book for committing a felony. Even if rape isn’t viewed negatively in fictional works, it certainly wouldn’t be considered instructing someone how to safely rape another person. Greaves’ book does precisely that, only he is focusing on children instead of adults.
 
There are no pictures in the book, nor is he speaking from personal experience.
What ages of children are recommended?

NAMBLA speaks of sex with children as pederasty, a man boy love relationship, that frees children to take ownership of their sexuality.

Harry Hay (early leader in the American LGBT rights movement and NAMBLA supporter) shares his story on the website, he was sexually active with adult men by the age of 13.
 
You are correct - there is no mention of that in the Bill of Rights. However, in the Supreme Court’s interpretation of “Freedom to Speech”, they found that speech that incites violence is not protected, such as yelling ‘Fire’ in a crowded movie theater and patrons being injured trying to flee. Or if you are protesting that people should go blow up the Capitol building while it is in session, even if you personally have no plans to. There are limits to free speech.

And you are confusing the content contained in some books, such as rape, to an actual manual/how-to book for committing a felony. Even if rape isn’t viewed negatively in fictional works, it certainly wouldn’t be considered instructing someone how to safely rape another person. Greaves’ book does precisely that, only he is focusing on children instead of adults.
Yelling “fire” in a crowded theater is certainly different as it has immediate consequences. Laying out one’s ideas in a book is an entirely different situation. I do not think there should be any limiations on written free speech aside from libel and slander. We should be free to express our ideas no matter how extreme they seem.

For example, I don’t have a problem with people publishing books that say I will be tortured for eternity because I don’t follow the arbitrary rules laid out by an invisible man in the sky.
 
What ages of children are recommended?

NAMBLA speaks of sex with children as pederasty, a man boy love relationship, that frees children to take ownership of their sexuality.

Harry Hay (early leader in the American LGBT rights movement and NAMBLA supporter) shares his story on the website, he was sexually active with adult men by the age of 13.
As much as I disagree with them I do not deny their right to exist and share their viewpoint. Not that far back in this country’s history 13 year old girls were wed to grown men. How do you feel about that?

Also, early Christians were once persecuted for their beliefs.
 
I do not think there should be any limiations on written free speech aside from libel and slander. We should be free to express our ideas no matter how extreme they seem.
Sex with children is how people “express our ideas”.

Hum.
 
Pedophilia is a grave sin and is absolutely disgusting and wrong, but 1st amendment means first amendment. THe court should not limit the rights of that amendment. just like a court case such as Roe v. WAde should not take away the powers of the states to decide certain things.

Freedom of Speech means freedom of speech and to me that does include yelling “fire” in a crowded theatre and yelling “theatre” in a crowded fire. If he does no acts, then we should not go after him. Speech, even hate speech or speech of crime and depravity, should not be against the law

That does not mean that we should do these things though.

[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 6:12[/BIBLEDRB]
 
Sex with children is how people “express our ideas”.

Hum.
You have to admit that speech and though are different from action. Of course the ACT of sex with a child should be and is illegal. Voicing one’s thoughts and opinions are completely different from actions. Do I think it should be legal for a black woman to marry a white man? Yes I do. If someone else thought it should be illegal I would never deny their right of free speech in voicing that opinion.
 
I’m a very strong supporter of the Constitution, in fact, in my younger, crazy days, I even joined the ACLU. I’m still radical on free speech, freedom of the press, expression, gun rights, all of those things.

Having said that, take the author, drag him outside, and hang him. His filth won’t be expressed anymore that way.

I say that with a half smile-don’t take it seriously…but don’t take it not seriously either! 😉
 
As much as I disagree with them I do not deny their right to exist and share their viewpoint. Not that far back in this country’s history 13 year old girls were wed to grown men. How do you feel about that?
Please site proof of child brides in the U.S. and then explain how child sexual abuse in 2010 excuses these predatory actions?
 
As much as I disagree with them I do not deny their right to exist and share their viewpoint. Also, early Christians were once persecuted for their beliefs.
So, you’re saying child sexual abuse is a “belief” and they share equally with the Early Christians (because they had a belief) and therefore the pedophiles and pederests have a right to print a “how to” book on sexual assault on children.

What college did you attend?
 
You’re confusing “freedom” with “license”.

You believe that because there is freedom of speech, it also grants a license to print whatever one wishes.
 
Please site proof of child brides in the U.S. and then explain how child sexual abuse in 2010 excuses these predatory actions?
A very famous example is Edgar Allen Poe marrying his 13 year old first cousin. I’m sure there were all kinds of non-famous examples as well. poeforward.com/poe/virginia.html

I also don’t think free speech needs any excuse. There is a difference between thought/speech and action.
 
Not that far back in this country’s history 13 year old girls were wed to grown men. How do you feel about that? Also, early Christians were once persecuted for their beliefs.
You’ve cited one child bride occurance. In your quote you wrote as if it were epidemic and a valid reason why in 2010 “how to” books on child sexual abuse should be allowed under freedom of speech.

I don’t follow your freethinking logic. Nor does that explain how the persecution of the Early Church Catholics grants an approval of child sexual abuse “how to” books.
 
You’ve cited one child bride occurance. In your quote you wrote as if it were epidemic and a valid reason why in 2010 “how to” books on child sexual abuse should be allowed under freedom of speech.

I don’t follow your freethinking logic. Nor does that explain how the persecution of the Early Church Catholics grants an approval of child sexual abuse “how to” books.
What I am saying is that just because an idea is unpopular does not mean it has no validity. I am not saying that “child love” has any validity at all and I think those who practice it should be prosecuted. I am saying that those who SPEAK about it should be free to do so.

What about Abraham offering Isaac up for sacrifice to God? By most modern standards this would be considered child abuse. Even though he didn’t go through with it, it surely left a psycological scar on the child. Many people site this child abuse as a lesson on the devotion to God.

Do you think Abraham was wrong?
 
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