Authoritative statement on communion while kneeling?

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I am currently in Seminary, in the US, and have recently asked to receive communion while kneeling. I was told this is an unacceptable practice and does no fit into the guidelines. The formator I asked admitted that there is much information out there ragrding this and one would need to be a Canon Lawyer to understand what the Church really desires.

I plan on complying with the directives of my formator but would also like confirmation of this understanding. Does anyone know what congregation, address, etc. I should write to in Rome for an authoritative statement of whether it is allowed for someone to receive communion while kneeling.

I have read many articles from Cardinals encouraging this practice but want to make sure I am am on firm ground before approaching the seminary again. A letter from Rome would be valuable for such a future discussion.

Thanks and God bless,
 
Thanks for this explanation. But I have another aspect to this question. In my diocese the Bishop has recently called for more reverence when receiving. Would it be valid to genuflect and then receive whilst standing for both kinds?
 
This is what the 2011 GIRM states:

The norm established for the Dioceses of the United States of America is that Holy Communion is to be received standing,** unless an individual member of the faithful wishes to receive Communion while kneeling** (Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, Instruction, Redemptionis Sacramentum, March 25, 2004, no. 91).

The Referenced document states:

[91.] In distributing Holy Communion it is to be remembered that “sacred ministers may not deny the sacraments to those who seek them in a reasonable manner, are rightly disposed, and are not prohibited by law from receiving them”.[177] Hence any baptized Catholic who is not prevented by law must be admitted to Holy Communion. Therefore, it is not licit to deny Holy Communion to any of Christ’s faithful solely on the grounds, for example, that the person wishes to receive the Eucharist kneeling or standing.

Kneeling “fits” within the guidelines, I understand it, and I’m not even a canon lawyer…

You are well within your rights as a Catholic to receive your Lord and God on your knees!
 
You are within your rights to kneel. Take a look at these links which contain quotes from the GIRM and letters to Rome.

ewtn.com/expert/answers/communion_posture.htm
ourladyswarriors.org/liturgy/kneeling.htm
The EWTN document is not the updated 2011. #160 formerly had the words … “Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm.”

This has been removed. What I quoted above is from the new GIRM. We are free to kneel period. 👍
 
You are in seminary, not just any ordinary lay person. You are in formation. I suggest following what your teachers/superiors tell you. When you become a priest you need to have the same kind of obedience to your bishop.
 
I assume that the Congregation for Divine Worship would be the correct Vatican body to contact.
From Redemptionis Sacramentum:[90.]
“The faithful should receive Communion kneeling or standing, as the Conference of Bishops will have determined”, with its acts having received the recognitio of the Apostolic See. “However, if they receive Communion standing, it is recommended that they give due reverence before the reception of the Sacrament, as set forth in the same norms”.
[91.] In distributing Holy Communion it is to be remembered that “sacred ministers may not deny the sacraments to those who seek them in a reasonable manner, are rightly disposed, and are not prohibited by law from receiving them”.[177] Hence any baptized Catholic who is not prevented by law must be admitted to Holy Communion. Therefore, it is not licit to deny Holy Communion to any of Christ’s faithful solely on the grounds, for example, that the person wishes to receive the Eucharist kneeling or standing.
You can read the whole thing [here](http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...0423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter IV).
From General Instruction of the Roman Missal (for USA)
160. The priest then takes the paten or ciborium and goes to the communicants, who, as a rule, approach in a procession.
The faithful are not permitted to take the consecrated bread or the sacred chalice by themselves and, still less, to hand them from one to another. The norm for reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States is standing. Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel. Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm.
When receiving Holy Communion, the communicant bows his or her head before the Sacrament as a gesture of reverence and receives the Body of the Lord from the minister. The consecrated host may be received either on the tongue or in the hand, at the discretion of each communicant. When Holy Communion is received under both kinds, the sign of reverence is also made before receiving the Precious Blood.
Again, the full text can be found here.

Basically your formator is right to ask you to stand, since that is the norm for the US, BUT you can never be denied Communion because you kneel.
 
I am currently in Seminary, in the US, and have recently asked to receive communion while kneeling. I was told this is an unacceptable practice and does no fit into the guidelines. The formator I asked admitted that there is much information out there ragrding this and one would need to be a Canon Lawyer to understand what the Church really desires.

I plan on complying with the directives of my formator but would also like confirmation of this understanding. Does anyone know what congregation, address, etc. I should write to in Rome for an authoritative statement of whether it is allowed for someone to receive communion while kneeling.

I have read many articles from Cardinals encouraging this practice but want to make sure I am am on firm ground before approaching the seminary again. A letter from Rome would be valuable for such a future discussion.

Thanks and God bless,
How much further away from Jesus’ teachings do you all want to go? All this ‘angels dancing on the head of a pin’ silliness makes me so disheartened about the Catholic church and it’s future. Go love your neighbor and take communion anyway you want…it’s just a silly magic show anyway!
 
You are in seminary, not just any ordinary lay person. You are in formation. I suggest following what your teachers/superiors tell you. When you become a priest you need to have the same kind of obedience to your bishop.
I am sure you noticed while reading my post that I mentioned that I would obey my formator. Why would yuo ask me to do somethinh I already stated that I would be doing?

As far as looking for an answer from Rome on a disputed teaching, where do you find the fault in that? Do you believe that we should never search for confirmation?
 
You are in seminary, not just any ordinary lay person. You are in formation. I suggest following what your teachers/superiors tell you. When you become a priest you need to have the same kind of obedience to your bishop.
This. You will not last very long in seminary if you insist on rocking the boat for matters such as this.
 
As far as looking for an answer from Rome on a disputed teaching, where do you find the fault in that? Do you believe that we should never search for confirmation?
Right now your best bet is to wait until the New Translation of the Missal is published/in offical use since the GIRM in that seems to say that anyone can receive kneeling.

The only thing is since standing remains the norm would it be worth considering standing and making a profound bow before receiving so as not to be going against the rest of the community. To give an example, I know a nun who entered a monastery where the custom is to receive in the hand. She had always received on the tongue, but rather than seperate herself from the community she started receiving on the hand. As she said, many of them were much holier than her and there is a need in religious life to be with the community (so long as it is not sinful).
 
I am sure you noticed while reading my post that I mentioned that I would obey my formator. Why would yuo ask me to do somethinh I already stated that I would be doing?

As far as looking for an answer from Rome on a disputed teaching, where do you find the fault in that? Do you believe that we should never search for confirmation?
You seem indecisive. You will obey him yet question him. He asked you to do something that the Church allows, why question it any further? That was my point. You were told to do something that does not go against any Church teaching or instruction, why question it any further? Why are you looking for “authorative statements”?

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To add, what does he mean “unacceptable practice and does not fit the guidelines”? If its the guidelines of the seminary, then there’s nothing what is made for the laity that will apply to you. BTW, do you belong to a religious order?
 
You are in seminary, not just any ordinary lay person. You are in formation. I suggest following what your teachers/superiors tell you. When you become a priest you need to have the same kind of obedience to your bishop.
👍👍

This is what I was thinking too.

Peace
James
 
How much further away from Jesus’ teachings do you all want to go? All this ‘angels dancing on the head of a pin’ silliness makes me so disheartened about the Catholic church and it’s future. Go love your neighbor and take communion anyway you want…it’s just a silly magic show anyway!
How bout no? The teaching of the Church are the teachings of Christ, firstly. Secondly, the angels dancing thing is an in-joke and myth and is not at all related to this. Lastly, calling the Eucharist and associated practises a “magic show” is disgusting.
You seem indecisive. You will obey him yet question him. He asked you to do something that the Church allows, why question it any further? That was my point. You were told to do something that does not go against any Church teaching or instruction, why question it any further? Why are you looking for “authorative statements”?
I think he is within his rights to show his formation supervisor the guidelines. He hasn’t been told to sin, but he was been told that doing something is against Church teaching when it isn’t, and he has been told he cannot do something when he legitimately can. He’s no training to be a Franciscan so he doesn’t have to blindly follow . He can kindly, and humbly, bring it up with official documents and give his case as to why he would like to kneel. Perhaps there are good reasons that they don’t want him to. Perhaps there aren’t. It doesn’t hurt to ask and it certainly doesn’t hurt to give OFFICIAL Church teaching on the matter.
 
If every seminarian accepted everything he was told by every formator in seminary they would be lost and the Church would be in very bad shape. Seminaries may be better now than they were 20 years ago but there are still many problems. The problems today are not so much from malice of formators but of ignorance due to their poor formation.

The correct procedure seems to be to obey those things that do not seem objectibly wrong while seeking confirmation if there appears to be a dispute.

That is what I am doing and the purpose of my first post. I was asking who and where to write for clarification.
 
If every seminarian accepted everything he was told by every formator in seminary they would be lost and the Church would be in very bad shape. Seminaries may be better now than they were 20 years ago but there are still many problems. The problems today are not so much from malice of formators but of ignorance due to their poor formation.

The correct procedure seems to be to obey those things that do not seem objectibly wrong while seeking confirmation if there appears to be a dispute.

That is what I am doing and the purpose of my first post. I was asking who and where to write for clarification.
I’m not sure what kind of an “official teaching” you are looking for, but maybe this will help. In 1967, the Sacred Congregation of Rites issued Eucharisticum Mysterium, which provides:
34. The Way of Receiving Communion

a) In accordance with the custom of the Church,** Communion may be received by the faithful either kneeling or standing**. One or the other way is to be chosen, according to the decision of the episcopal conference, bearing in mind all the circumstances, above all the number of the faithful and the arrangement of the churches. The faithful should willingly adopt the method indicated by their pastors, so that Communion may truly be a sign of the brotherly union of all those who share in the same table of the Lord.
In the United States, the bishops’ conference (then-NCCB) selected standing as the posture.
 
From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :

“42. The gestures and posture of the priest, the deacon, and the ministers, as well as those of the people, ought to contribute to making the entire celebration resplendent with beauty and noble simplicity, so that the true and full meaning of the different parts of the celebration is evident and that the participation of all is fostered.52 Therefore, attention should be paid to what is determined by this General Instruction and the traditional practice of the Roman Rite and to what serves the common spiritual good of the People of God, rather than private inclination or arbitrary choice.
A common posture, to be observed by all participants, is a sign of the unity of the members of the Christian community gathered for the Sacred Liturgy: it both expresses and fosters the intention and spiritual attitude of the participants.”

“43. … With a view to a uniformity in gestures and postures during one and the same celebration, the faithful should follow the directions which the deacon, lay minister, or priest gives according to whatever is indicated in the Missal.”

From the 2004 Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum:

"[90.] “The faithful should receive Communion kneeling or standing, as the Conference of Bishops will have determined”, with its acts having received the recognitio of the Apostolic See. “However, if they receive Communion standing, it is recommended that they give due reverence before the reception of the Sacrament, as set forth in the same norms”.[176]

[91.] In distributing Holy Communion it is to be remembered that “sacred ministers may not deny the sacraments to those who seek them in a reasonable manner, are rightly disposed, and are not prohibited by law from receiving them”.[177] Hence any baptized Catholic who is not prevented by law must be admitted to Holy Communion. Therefore, it is not licit to deny Holy Communion to any of Christ’s faithful solely on the grounds, for example, that the person wishes to receive the Eucharist kneeling or standing.

[92.] Although each of the faithful always has the right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue, at his choice,[178] if any communicant should wish to receive the Sacrament in the hand, in areas where the Bishops’ Conference with the recognitio of the Apostolic See has given permission, the sacred host is to be administered to him or her. However, special care should be taken to ensure that the host is consumed by the communicant in the presence of the minister, so that no one goes away carrying the Eucharistic species in his hand. If there is a risk of profanation, then Holy Communion should not be given in the hand to the faithful. [179]"

Here the instructions get confusing. No. 90 above seems to say clearly that Conference of Bishops can decide that people are to receive Communion standing (for example). Along with the encouragement for uniformity in posture in the GIRM this would seem to mean that everyone would then receive communion standing. So what is it trying to say in no. 91: “Therefore, it is not licit to deny Holy Communion to any of Christ’s faithful solely on the grounds, for example, that the person wishes to receive the Eucharist kneeling or standing.”

Here is my attempt to unravel what is being said. If a person is in a wheelchair they are not expected to stand. It goes without saying that they will receive communion while sitting.

What if a person has a mental disorder, a phobia about receiving Communion standing? For this reason should they be denied communion for the rest of their life? Perhaps no. 91 is saying this would be like denying communion to someone in a wheelchair.

So what might be the solution? Uniformity of posture is important. Accepting the authority of the Conference of Bishops is, as well. One person at a normal Mass receiving Communion kneeling would be disruptive, perhaps a dangerous tripping hazard. It would create confusion for others about what is the proper posture to receive communion.

So perhaps special arrangements could be made for the person with the phobia about receiving communion standing. A mass with only a priest, altar server and the person with the phobia. A communion service, like communion to the sick, so that the person with the phobia can receive communion.
 
So perhaps special arrangements could be made for the person with the phobia about receiving communion standing. A mass with only a priest, altar server and the person with the phobia. A communion service, like communion to the sick, so that the person with the phobia can receive communion.
This is not at all a possibility as it would exclude from the parish Sunday Mass those who wish to receive kneeling. The regulations are simply recognising that a number of people are accustomed to receive kneeling and many feel strongly that it is irreverent to receive standing. Following in the example set by St Paul, when he told the Corinthians (1 Cor 10) that if someone feels it is sinful to eat certain foods than he should abstain although those who are mature Christians recognise that it is not sinful, the Church says that one who wishes to kneel for Communion cannot be denied Communion, although the US Bishops Conference recommends that they be instructed at some other time as to the reason for the standing posture. Personally, I’d love to know what good reason there is for the standing posture.🙂

In Ireland there is pretty much a mix of postures. In Churches where the altar rails have been retained (often with a big hole cut in the centre) most people kneel to receive and some stand. In other Churches most people stand with a very few kneeling or genuflecting (it’s very difficult for an older person to receive kneeling without an altar rail). There hasn’t been any accidents.👍
 
I am currently in Seminary, in the US, and have recently asked to receive communion while kneeling. I was told this is an unacceptable practice and does no fit into the guidelines. The formator I asked admitted that there is much information out there ragrding this and one would need to be a Canon Lawyer to understand what the Church really desires.

I plan on complying with the directives of my formator but would also like confirmation of this understanding. Does anyone know what congregation, address, etc. I should write to in Rome for an authoritative statement of whether it is allowed for someone to receive communion while kneeling.

I have read many articles from Cardinals encouraging this practice but want to make sure I am am on firm ground before approaching the seminary again. A letter from Rome would be valuable for such a future discussion.

Thanks and God bless,/QUOTE

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Just axsk you local Bishop

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