Ave Maria Law School is relocating

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I was considering attending there and called them a couple of years ago. I asked point blank, “So, will the law school relocate to Naples along with the university?” The reply: “Oh, no, it’s DEFINITELY staying in Ann Arbor.”

This was important to me because my husband works for the State of Michigan, so I can’t relocate to Florida.

Glad I didn’t enroll. I know several people who won’t be too happy.

'thann
 
for a rather heated discussion on the low esteem for Tom Monaghan that more and more are feeling:

www.fumare.blogspot.com

It is sad that he will do anything to have it his way… even claiming to be the founder… calling it “his” law school… bailing on many previous education endeavors…

how strange, that someone with out any college education can be claiming to be a Catholic educator… and how many families have been ruined by his “visions”
 
Somewhat in defense of Mr. Monaghan, he was instrumental in financing of my son’s Catholic elementary and high schools. Without his support neither of the schools could have expanded the way they have in the past few years.

I perceive Mr. Monaghan as being rather impetuous, backing this venture and then withdrawing to back another. He’s not a bad guy, but he sure isn’t popular right now.

'thann
 
thann said:
Somewhat in defense of Mr. Monaghan, he was instrumental in financing of my son’s Catholic elementary and high schools. Without his support neither of the schools could have expanded the way they have in the past few years.

I perceive Mr. Monaghan as being rather impetuous, backing this venture and then withdrawing to back another. He’s not a bad guy, but he sure isn’t popular right now.

'thann
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Guess you would have to define “bad”

Not sure which high school you are referreing to, but he withdrew his support of a few grade schools, an order of nuns (they sued and won), a Catholic newspaper, a Catholic radio station, AveMaria College, etc etc. He has often said he wants to die poor, yet his latest ad"venture" is intended to make lots of money in real estate sales… and it just might.

Impetuous… no…

stubborn… definitely

and he has not been popular among the true wealty business community ever
and he has not been popular among the Catholic organizations who still suffer …for a long time.

oh well…

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Great, just what Ann Arbor and SE Michigan needs after losing Pfizer. :mad:
 
thann said:
I was considering attending there and called them a couple of years ago. I asked point blank, “So, will the law school relocate to Naples along with the university?” The reply: “Oh, no, it’s DEFINITELY staying in Ann Arbor.”

This was important to me because my husband works for the State of Michigan, so I can’t relocate to Florida.

Glad I didn’t enroll. I know several people who won’t be too happy.

'thann
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Change impacts people in different ways and is often unpleasant. But if it is to move, Naples is a beautiful place.
 
I’m not quite sure what the fuss is all about. If it weren’t for Monaghan there would be no Ave Maria series of institutions. If people don’t like what he is doing go start your own college or raise enough money to keep it whereever you wish. If I had the choice of living in Ann Arbor, Michigan or Naples, Florida I wouldn’t hesitate. How quickly can I pack my bags, would be the only consideration.

I hope he makes millions on his real estate venture.

CDL
 
SeekerJen said:
Great, just what Ann Arbor and SE Michigan needs after losing Pfizer. :mad:
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I don’t think Ann Arbor will be shedding too many tears over Ave Maria departing. They were never too happy with the entire concept of training lawyers to be pro-life.
 
Here’s my comment to the Free Press.

I will admit that in an increasingly Atheistic Michigan in which babies are murdered regularly Ave Maria’s presence might act as a witness to life and not murder. Yet, if I had the choice of living in SE Michigan or Southern Florida the only question I’d have is “How soon can I pack my bags?” I’m glad for the continued witness for good that survives in Michigan, my home state, but if the bigots and murderers of children want to create an increasingly shrinking paradise in SE Michigan let them have it.

CDL
 
GregoryPalamas said:
I’m not quite sure what the fuss is all about. If it weren’t for Monaghan there would be no Ave Maria series of institutions. If people don’t like what he is doing go start your own college or raise enough money to keep it whereever you wish. If I had the choice of living in Ann Arbor, Michigan or Naples, Florida I wouldn’t hesitate. How quickly can I pack my bags, would be the only consideration.

I hope he makes millions on his real estate venture.

CDL
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If you were one of the 360 students who packed up and moved to Ann Arbor only to now have to relocate to Florida or get admitted to another law school, you might see what some of the fuss is about. I know that his law school was not that high in the national rankings anyway, so it will make it more difficult for students to transfer. If they had to move an entire family to Ann Arbor and the spouse is working and the kids are in school. . .not a good situation. If feel sorry for the students who have been forking over private school tuition only to have this happen.

If my law school had packed up and moved across the country while I was a student, it would have been a major hardship. Most students have to find affordable housing and often a local job to help finance their education. Moving would cost them any local contacts they had in the legal community which could affect hiring for summer clerkships and permanent jobs. Now these newbies will have to fight the previously established law schools with existing networks of alumni in Florida for everything. This kind of fickle behavior by the founder of the school does not likely inspire confidence in the school for potential applicants. I would definitely steer law applicants away from Ave Maria at this point.
 
jc,

I do see the point. I would not have liked it either and it does put the school itself in a bad light at least for a time. Yet, things work out. Michigan is in a rather bleak situation just now. The economy of Florida is booming. I suspect the students will adjust. If my undergraduate school would have moved to Florida or some southern state I would have been troubled at first but after a while I think I would have thanked the Lord.

CDL
 
Brendan said:
I don’t think Ann Arbor will be shedding too many tears over Ave Maria departing. They were never too happy with the entire concept of training lawyers to be pro-life.
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Law is supposed to be reason free from emotion…I never really understood what it meant to train a ‘Catholic lawyer’.
 
frommi said:
Law is supposed to be reason free from emotion…I never really understood what it meant to train a ‘Catholic lawyer’.
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I suppose to be a Catholic Lawyer is to recognize what reason really means. It isn’t simply calculation. It is wisdom as well as logic. It is a recognition that calculation without wisdom is nothing more than an examination ones own brain and not an examination of reality.

CDL
 
GregoryPalamas said:
I suppose to be a Catholic Lawyer is to recognize what reason really means. It isn’t simply calculation. It is wisdom as well as logic. It is a recognition that calculation without wisdom is nothing more than an examination ones own brain and not an examination of reality.

CDL
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If you are refering to “natural law”, then you are correct.

The young men and women who came to Ave Maria College were left high and dry as were staff and faculty when TM could not run roughshod over the Ann Arbor liberal community.

So he left. calculation without wisdom

As for going to sunny Naples… that is on the other side of the I75… the pricey, established side (that currently is listed as the most over-priced housing market in the country).

The other side of the freeway… the swampy, desolate side includes Collier county… owned by the same family for a century or more… It is this property which was offered to TM for 'developement" ("here is 750 acres free… let’s make a city on the other 5000 +/-)calculation without wisdom

The whole project is in big trouble… not 11,000 homes… about 30-50… and the student poulation at the “university” has dropped by well over 20%… some estimate 1/3 again due to broken promises and the growing realization that TM is not management material… especially in the field of education.calculation without wisdom

The ABA (American Bar Association) is currently investigating a rather long list of charges brought against the Dean of the Law School. And this major move will more than likely recind the accrediation the Law School has … by the way, the University has no accreditation and cannot expect one for many years… if ever.calculation without wisdom

As for the founding of a law school… the founders were truly the 5 law professors who sacrificed all they had to start the school (talk about a widow’s mite).

The success of the school was certainly enhanced and quickened with Tom’s money. But he has maintained control like a sole-proprietorship, and his tactics are hardly Catholic… they are stupid and self-serving at best.

He is in trouble of his own making… but the battle is far from over.

One can only pray for all the parties envolved, and hope that the Truth will be known before so many more lives are uprooted and ruined.
 
frommi said:
Law is supposed to be reason free from emotion…I never really understood what it meant to train a ‘Catholic lawyer’.
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Hello,

I think that this is referring to the type of law in which one would practice? Would a Catholic handle divorces, for example? Or get involved with the ACLU to remove the 10 Commandments from our courthouses? Among many other examples. The law is certainly the law. As an attorney, one may choose which type of law to practice.
 
kell0618 said:
Hello,

I think that this is referring to the type of law in which one would practice? Would a Catholic handle divorces, for example? Or get involved with the ACLU to remove the 10 Commandments from our courthouses? Among many other examples. The law is certainly the law. As an attorney, one may choose which type of law to practice.
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I agree with that statement…but even a Catholic Lawyer would need to understand the legal reasoning behind those cases.

I guess I just wonder what the difference is between this law school education and one at…Harvard.
 
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