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Wall Street Journal article
New York Times article
New York Post article
Melbourne (AUS) Herald-Sun article
Ninemsn (AUS) article
New York Daily News article

I won’t extract any of the pertinent text from the above links, but will tell you that the good news is that the baby survived the incident.

Sadly, this is not that unusual. In the past week, we have the above, the incident of the teenaged mother in Texas who smothered her newborn to death, and, of course, the woman who was convicted of microwaving her baby to death. Again, use caution before opening up any of the stories.

Myself, I see this as an unfortunate but sadly unsurprising result of the secularism in our society. Right and wrong from a purely moral perspective are not emphasized to the degree that they should be. The logical goals of people in society are material, not spiritual. When the sanctity of human life is not emphasized before birth, that degrades all human life.

What’s your take on why we are seeing so many of these stories in the news (not just the ones I post here)?
 
Birth control pills handed out like candy, abortions can be free, nothing, absolutely nothing is going to stop this…death all the way …

I didn’t read all your links, but on another forum I read about this…the girl was supposed “off” mentally, however that means some beast probably raped her…it’s just so sad, almost third world in nature…

This won’t stop until people start valuing life.
 
markomalley said:
The baby could have died before somebody found it. I call that good news. You?
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That’s a lot of abuse for such a tiny human. And she probably didn’t give up alcohol and drugs during her pregnancy, that coupled with severe nutritional deficiencies in the womb can all have dire lifelong consequences. And we’re not talking about genetic excellence here. I say baby starts with 21/2 strikes and the beginning of a very tough uphill battle. I’m of the opinion that the beatific vision with Mary as a mom would have been a far and away better alternative.
 
Robertanthony said:
That’s a lot of abuse for such a tiny human. And she probably didn’t give up alcohol and drugs during her pregnancy, that coupled with severe nutritional deficiencies in the womb can all have dire lifelong consequences. And we’re not talking about genetic excellence here. I say baby starts with 21/2 strikes and the beginning of a very tough uphill battle. I’m of the opinion that the beatific vision with Mary as a mom would have been a far and away better alternative.
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No. I come from a home of abuse, and thank God people didn’t think death could hav ebeen a better option for me. Believe it or not, kids can go on with their lives and be remarkably happy.
 
markomalley said:
Myself, I see this as an unfortunate but sadly unsurprising result of the secularism in our society.
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I agree that such stories are not uncommon and I suspect that many similar occurrences don’t get reported in the news.

However, I am not sure that secularism is at fault. I am not even sure if the number of occurrences is proportionally higher than, say, prior to 1960. Back when it was considered deeply shameful for a girl or woman to have a baby out of wedlock, there would have been a stronger incentive to secretly discard an illegitimate newborn. And I think at that time there was greater reluctance from the press about reporting morally tawdry news (e.g. President Kennedy’s extramarital affairs.) Certainly such incidents would have been seen as a direct challenge to the nature of Motherhood.
 
Whitacre_Girl said:
No. I come from a home of abuse, and thank God people didn’t think death could hav ebeen a better option for me. Believe it or not, kids can go on with their lives and be remarkably happy.
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Exception to the rule, miracle or resiliency. I’ve seen psychological problems, emotional misery, alcoholism, suicide; “remarkably happy”, not once. Can it happen? Sure. Is it likely? No.
 
Robertanthony said:
Exception to the rule, miracle or resiliency. I’ve seen psychological problems, emotional misery, alcoholism, suicide; “remarkably happy”, not once. Can it happen? Sure. Is it likely? No.
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So rather than help people and pray for their recovery, we should hope they die from their abuse? Nice.

You’d be shocked how many perfectly happy and well-adjusted people have had abuse in their past. No one escapes unscathed - but to wish for their death? I can’t tell you how distasteful this is.
 
Whitacre_Girl said:
So rather than help people and pray for their recovery, we should hope they die from their abuse? Nice.

You’d be shocked how many perfectly happy and well-adjusted people have had abuse in their past. No one escapes unscathed - but to wish for their death? I can’t tell you how distasteful this is.
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You’d be shocked how many perfectly unhappy and ill-adjusted people have had abuse in their past. You seem to know one thing or two about psychology, so I’m sure you know what “displacement” is. Very disingenuous and terribly offensive on your part to say that I hope the baby dies from the abuse. Take a second to pause and deeply reflect on this: I’m so horrified by what happened to this poor baby that I’d prefer to know that he/she is in God’s “arms” receiving all the love, tenderness that he/she should have gotten from his/her mother rather than face the horrifying fact of what the mother did to him/her. You think the baby will grow up and be just fine, I stopped believing in fairy tales long ago.
 
Robertanthony said:
You’d be shocked how many perfectly unhappy and ill-adjusted people have had abuse in their past. You seem to know one thing or two about psychology, so I’m sure you know what “displacement” is. Very disingenuous and terribly offensive on your part to say that I hope the baby dies from the abuse. Take a second to pause and deeply reflect on this: I’m so horrified by what happened to this poor baby that I’d prefer to know that he/she is in God’s “arms” receiving all the love, tenderness that he/she should have gotten from his/her mother rather than face the horrifying fact of what the mother did to him/her. You think the baby will grow up and be just fine, I stopped believing in fairy tales long ago.
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It seems you have given up hope for those who need it more than any others. I find this very sad and I hope you can overcome this cynicism.

Anyone who thinks being killed would be better than facing the joys of knowing Christ in life really needs to get their priorities straight and, may I suggest, spend some more time with people who have actually faced abuse in their lives. WE ARE NOT A DISEASE. And frankly I am sick of people suggesting myself and others like me are better off dead. Try telling that to my husband.
 
I never implied you were a disease. I’m very happy that you are an overcomer. My point of view is dictated by what I’ve seen in my own life and in people’s lives around me. I wish you well.
 
Robertanthony said:
Very disingenuous and terribly offensive on your part to say that I hope the baby dies from the abuse. Take a second to pause and deeply reflect on this: I’m so horrified by what happened to this poor baby that I’d prefer to know that he/she is in God’s “arms” receiving all the love, tenderness that he/she should have gotten from his/her mother rather than face the horrifying fact of what the mother did to him/her. You think the baby will grow up and be just fine, I stopped believing in fairy tales long ago.
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So it’s better that the baby dies - maybe not from abuse? Please explain.
 
What’s your take on why we are seeing so many of these stories in the news (not just the ones I post here)?
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We have lost our way and no longer remember the very reason we were created - to know, love and serve God. The lack of any supernatural faith leaves us without any moral compass and silences the conscience.
 
markomalley said:
CAUTION: THIS THREAD DEALS WITH GORY MATERIAL. USE APPROPRIATE CAUTION BEFORE PROCEEDING.

Wall Street Journal article
New York Times article
New York Post article
Melbourne (AUS) Herald-Sun article
Ninemsn (AUS) article
New York Daily News article

I won’t extract any of the pertinent text from the above links, but will tell you that the good news is that the baby survived the incident.

Sadly, this is not that unusual. In the past week, we have the above, the incident of the teenaged mother in Texas who smothered her newborn to death, and, of course, the woman who was convicted of microwaving her baby to death. Again, use caution before opening up any of the stories.

Myself, I see this as an unfortunate but sadly unsurprising result of the secularism in our society. Right and wrong from a purely moral perspective are not emphasized to the degree that they should be. The logical goals of people in society are material, not spiritual. When the sanctity of human life is not emphasized before birth, that degrades all human life.

What’s your take on why we are seeing so many of these stories in the news (not just the ones I post here)?
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In our culture if you throw you baby in the trash you are criminal who shuld be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If you pay someone to chop you baby into bits and then throw it in the trash you are a brave woman excercising your constitutional right of “choice” Of course to the baby it matters not how you ended up in the trash.
 
SamH said:
So it’s better that the baby dies - maybe not from abuse? Please explain.
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In my opinion he/she’d be much better off dead. I don’t hope or wish he/she had died as I don’t want to be another person in the list of people who’ve done him/her harm. To me beatific vision and perfect happiness is a better lot than a (shadow of a) life of hardship, suffering and emotional misery (as post-traumatic lives usually are), that’s a no-brainer to me. If you want to celebrate knowing what lies ahead for the baby, suit yourself.
 
apaling! But I did see a tiny miracle today. Cutest little puppie who was thrown in the trash and survived. His sister died but they found him and he was adopted. So cute. Animals may be expendable but not to this extent. A baby is a whole different matter.:mad:
 
Robertanthony said:
In my opinion he/she’d be much better off dead. I don’t hope or wish he/she had died as I don’t want to be another person in the list of people who’ve done him/her harm. To me beatific vision and perfect happiness is a better lot than a (shadow of a) life of hardship, suffering and emotional misery (as post-traumatic lives usually are), that’s a no-brainer to me. If you want to celebrate knowing what lies ahead for the baby, suit yourself.
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Truly one of the most perverted views of “beatific vision” I have ever seen. If you want to celebrate the slaughter of the innocents suit yourlef but please dont try and peddle the idea that your view is somehow compassionate or in anyway supported by the Church
 
estesbob said:
Truly one of the most perverted views of “beatific vision” I have ever seen. If you want to celebrate the slaughter of the innocents suit yourlef but please dont try and peddle the idea that your view is somehow compassionate or in anyway supported by the Church
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Easy now. “To celebrate the slaughter of the innocents” I mean this Bob, where the hell did I write that I’m celebrating anything?
 
Robertanthony said:
Easy now. “To celebrate the slaughter of the innocents” I mean this Bob, where the hell did I write that I’m celebrating anything?
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In my opinion he/she’d be much better off dead. I don’t hope or wish he/she had died as I don’t want to be another person in the list of people who’ve done him/her harm. To me beatific vision and perfect happiness is a better lot than a (shadow of a) life of hardship, suffering and emotional misery (as post-traumatic lives usually are), that’s a no-brainer to me. If you want to celebrate knowing what lies ahead for the baby, suit yourself.
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