Bahai Claim on Matthew23:39

[peace_at_last]

For some reason I feel no love from you
I’m asking you a question therefore

Do you believe that reality is all that is observable by your five human senses?

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And for some reason I feel no honesty from you.

 

[Servant19]

We all have different beliefs, but when some are challenged, they dont have answers.
Some just want everyone to agree with them without question… hmmmm

I’m not challenged dolphinlove.

I’m just baffled that a Muslim would not acknowledge that there are other spiritual realities which we are unaware of.

Do you believe this also dolphinlove?

Or are you just striving hard to corner someone because it’s a cool thing to do?

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[Servant19]

And for some reason I feel no honesty from you.

So you have nothing to say to answer the question …

This is fun!

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[peace_at_last]

I’m not challenged dolphinlove.

I’m just baffled that a Muslim would not acknowledge that there are other spiritual realities which we are unaware of.

Do you believe this also dolphinlove?

Or are you just striving hard to corner someone because it’s a cool thing to do?

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You have again showed your dishonesty.

Where did I say there are no “other spiritual realities which we are unaware of”?

The only people on this forum who make such claims are Baha’is that go around stating there is no Satan, no Angels, no etc. and they are all metaphors. Do not attribute your traits to me.

I am saddened by your behavior and pray that God guides you.

 

[Servant19]

You have again showed your dishonesty.

Where did I say there are no “other spiritual realities which we are unaware of”?

The only people on this forum who make such claims are Baha’is that go around stating there is no Satan, no Angels, no etc. and they are all metaphors. Do not attribute your traits to me.

I am saddened by your behavior and pray that God guides you.

Sorry to sadden you…it is not my intention to sadden anyone.

So you would agree therefore that this material world is not all that there is to reality? That it is not Absolute reality?

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[peace_at_last]

Sorry to sadden you…it is not my intention to sadden anyone.

So you would agree therefore that this material world is not all that there is to reality? That it is not Absolute reality?

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You falsely claimed that I had stated there are no “other spiritual realities which we are unaware of.” Instead of asking questions and diverting attention from this issue, show me where I have said such things.

 

[SteveVH]

The Baha’i posters on this forum are not interested in anything anyone else has to say in spite of the fact that we are greeted as if we are their long lost friends. Each and every question they have asked has been answered multiple times on a number of threads with the same result. It is a merry-go-round and nothing more.

They have an agenda here that has become quite obvious and that is to attempt to confuse and cause doubt with the hope of promoting their own religion. Thankfully, their arguments are glaringly irrational, unsupported and unconvincing to anyone who knows their faith, be it Christian or Muslim or any other faith tradition.

I, for one, am sick of seeing the doctrines of my own Church misrepresented and twisted by these folks and am done providing a vehicle for them to continue this agenda.

Steve

 

[eddie_too]

how can a human being acknowledge something that he or she is not aware ?

what is the state of mind, both in knowledge and understanding, of a person who would ask someone else if they will acknowledge something of which they are unaware?

how would that even be possible?

 

[eddie_too]

the bahai reject as false most of the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

among the teachings they reject are the RCC’s defined dogmas of the Holy Trinity, the Incarnation, the bodily Resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ, heaven, hell, apostolic succession and the Most Holy Eucharist.

since these dogmas are most central to the Roman Catholic faith, it should be clear to any person possessing the use of reason that the bahai who come here, and constantly question these dogmas and have had these dogmas explained to them repeatedly and have been pointed to the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church as a good literary place to further explore these dogmas, are not interested in learning about the RCC.

for some, it appears their primary purpose is to try and destroy the Roman Catholic faith of anyone who dares read their posts.

in addition to trying to seed doubt in the RC faithful, some also appear to want to preach the bahai religion even though they know that the bahai religion is a mishmash of thousands and thousands of pages of writing by a single person, most of which has not been subjected in any scholarly way to the scrutiny of thousands of human beings and which most certainly has never been rendered in to a manageable amount of essential information that even the simplest among us can remember and rely upon.

some of us have been reading these posts for months by those who claim to be faithful bahai and we still have no idea what the bahai claim is essential to their beliefs. although I will acknowledge that they do seem to believe that a one world government is essential to their beliefs. as an aside, a one world government is also essential to the beliefs of totalitarians.

we know they do not believe in heaven and hell as taught by the RCC. we know they do not believe in the doctrines of atonement, salvation and redemption as taught by the RCC. we know they do not believe in sin and the forgiveness of sins.

it would be one thing if they were here trying to present a coherent and accurate understanding of the bahai beliefs, but they are not doing that. they are repeatedly, even asking the same question over and over, sometimes knowingly taking things out of context, attempting to repudiate and confuse faithful catholics.

they so often ignore questions about the bahai faith that one is led to believe the bahai faith has no answers to the questions.

 

[ffg]

Interesting thread, thanks for starting it and contributing folks.

One thing that should be noted…

Someone along the lines said the gospels clarify the OT.

I believe to indicate that Bahai writings then clarify the NT (I think ‘Gospels’ was the used term).

That is a twist, a mis-translation where Jesus might do things to fulfill a prophecy.

Clarifying and fullfilling are two very different things.

‘Fulfilling’ indicates a ‘completion’.

There would be no need to do anything more for a prophecy that is fulfilled, the mission would be complete.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Hi

Baha’is claim that Matthew23:39 talks about their Prophet(Bahá’u’lláh) Because the Verse says: “For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”
They say the Man who came in the name of God, is Bahá’u’lláh, Because he said “There are no God, but me, the Prisoner, the alone” They claim he came in the name of Lord by these words and so this verse talks about him.

What is the answer?

I do not know what happened to the OP subject, but the underline above from the OP sure looks familiar in the liturgy of the Eucharist. The Catholic Mass is soaked in the living Word of God.

Could it be, that we do not see Jesus presence again until we say; “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord” in His True and real substantial presence body, blood, soul and divinity in our presence Eucharistia?

Has not Hebrews 12:22 reveal God’s kingdom come on earth as it is heaven? "you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks more graciously than the blood of Abel.

The Mass in the present is a perpetual heavenly Liturgy of the Lambs supper celebrated on earth as it is in heaven, verbatim as Hebrews records and Jesus teaches “you will not see me again until you say blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord”.

If Paul and the early Church saw this, when he records Hebrews a Hebrew himself? Why should anyone doubt the Catholic Liturgy real presence of Jesus own spoken words.

Peace be with you

 

[Servant19]

the bahai reject as false most of the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

among the teachings they reject are the RCC’s defined dogmas of the Holy Trinity, the Incarnation, the bodily Resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ, heaven, hell, apostolic succession and the Most Holy Eucharist.

since these dogmas are most central to the Roman Catholic faith, it should be clear to any person possessing the use of reason that the bahai who come here, and constantly question these dogmas and have had these dogmas explained to them repeatedly and have been pointed to the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church as a good literary place to further explore these dogmas, are not interested in learning about the RCC.

for some, it appears their primary purpose is to try and destroy the Roman Catholic faith of anyone who dares read their posts.

in addition to trying to seed doubt in the RC faithful, some also appear to want to preach the bahai religion even though they know that the bahai religion is a mishmash of thousands and thousands of pages of writing by a single person, most of which has not been subjected in any scholarly way to the scrutiny of thousands of human beings and which most certainly has never been rendered in to a manageable amount of essential information that even the simplest among us can remember and rely upon.

some of us have been reading these posts for months by those who claim to be faithful bahai and we still have no idea what the bahai claim is essential to their beliefs. although I will acknowledge that they do seem to believe that a one world government is essential to their beliefs. as an aside, a one world government is also essential to the beliefs of totalitarians.

we know they do not believe in heaven and hell as taught by the RCC. we know they do not believe in the doctrines of atonement, salvation and redemption as taught by the RCC. we know they do not believe in sin and the forgiveness of sins.

it would be one thing if they were here trying to present a coherent and accurate understanding of the bahai beliefs, but they are not doing that. they are repeatedly, even asking the same question over and over, sometimes knowingly taking things out of context, attempting to repudiate and confuse faithful catholics.

they so often ignore questions about the bahai faith that one is led to believe the bahai faith has no answers to the questions.

Just for you eddie too

bahai.com/Bahaullah/principles.htm

You also say that the Bahai religion does not believe in the heaven and hell of the RCC. You must therefore have studied the Bahai beliefs on the subject. Is that correct?

Finally, the Catholic Faith is also in support of a one world global Authority.
You should know that…

You should also know that there are several many teachings of Catholicism which are shared by the Bahai religion…

Be nice and stop stirring trouble young man

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[eddie_too]

servant19,

went to the site you offered and read what was there.

I see nothing new. I see nothing that could only come from our Creator. I see much that is political and philosophical in nature, but nothing I would term divine in nature. that is not to say that Bahaullah’s goals do not have reason behind them and some are even admirable and desirable.

ultimately, what is missing from the principles provided at your link are those that emanate from God alone. these principles emphasize worldly concerns and advocate worldly solutions.

thanks for the information. it confirms me in my belief that Bahaullah was not of divine origin in any manner superior to or different from the rest of mankind.

for me, the question always is that of what good reason exists for following Bahaullah and his teachings.

what separates Bahaullah from joseph smith and brigham young or jim jones or david koresh?