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Techno2000
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So how do we know that this Massage from the Spirit World, that was imparted to Baha’u’llah didn’t come from a Demon ?
Baha'i: Jesus Claims to be God (and how do you respond to those claims?)
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arthra
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Similarly the Pharisees alleged Jesus cast out devils through the “prince of devils”
‘But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils.’
[Matthew 9:34].
As you know spiritualist phenomena and demons are not considered by us as having much reality… The belief in one God … monotheism is an essential principle for us!
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Techno2000
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But Baha’u’llah was not even close to even be put in the same category as Jesus.Similarly the Pharisees alleged Jesus cast out devils through the “prince of devils”
‘But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils.’
[Matthew 9:34].
As you know spiritualist phenomena and demons are not considered by us as having much reality… The belief in one God … monotheism is an essential principle for us!
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Randy_Carson
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Similarly the Pharisees alleged Jesus cast out devils through the “prince of devils”
‘But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils.’
[Matthew 9:34].
As you know spiritualist phenomena and demons are not considered by us as having much reality… The belief in one God … monotheism is an essential principle for us!
Gentlemen, with all due respect, this tit-for-tat is going nowhere.
Jesus rose from the dead. Mr. Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí did not.
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Techno2000
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Thats the problem, they don’t believe he rose from the Dead.
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Randy_Carson
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That’s why we’re here.Thats the problem, they don’t believe he rose from the Dead.
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fnr
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How about we start by showing that the Baha’i beliefs include Muhammad as a legitimate prophet, and showing that Islam is a religion that was fabricated by the Arab conquerors to unify their rule.
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Techno2000
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They have no problem at all in believing in all these " Manifestations of God " but they can’t fathom the Incarnation of Jesus.That’s why we’re here.
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Techno2000
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They say that they have a New Revelation for man to better understand God, but this New Revelation nobody can understand.
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GaryTaylor
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You realize that then good virtue is blessed since evil is non existent. But worship becomes synonymous with creatures thus the relation of the mortality-immortal. So whats the difference in the one God and His worship, as opposed to immortal creatures. Is it considered the essence energies of God and this path to divinization of the creature is worthy of the same praise as God? So through the energies which are Gods essence they are like God, but not God?Similarly the Pharisees alleged Jesus cast out devils through the “prince of devils”
‘But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils.’
[Matthew 9:34].
As you know spiritualist phenomena and demons are not considered by us as having much reality… The belief in one God … monotheism is an essential principle for us!
There is no need for mans redemption on this path as there is blessed virtuous behavior.
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Randy_Carson
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The Bible says that Jesus’ blood was shed as a sin offering for the expiation of our sins.
What did “Baha’u’llah” accomplish like that?
What did “Baha’u’llah” accomplish like that?
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Servant19
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This is a weak argument. Peter recognized Jesus as the Son of the Living God long before He witnessed any resurrection. Saying that Baha’u’llah was “not even close to what Jesus was” because of a Resurrection is denying the truth that Peter witnessed, and in fact denying Peter altogether.
Even post-resurrection, his teaching regarding the resurrection conforms 100% with Baha’i belief:
The primacy of Peter is fully endorsed by Baha’u’llah, and rightly so
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GaryTaylor
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Blessed virtue which lead to the sharing of the divine essence. Its a philosophical debate by Platos school which had multiple variations of thought based on logic and in relation to God and multiple deities. Nevertheless understanding of the blessed is coming.
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Servant19
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We know because it conforms perfectly with Catholic teaching:
…and again, from St Gregory:
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Servant19
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Hmmm… I was thinking that since Jesus taught the Shema in Mark 12;28-34
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’** 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”
32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.** 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.
Baha’u’llah revealed a fundamental principle:
Regard thou the one true God as One Who is apart from, and immeasurably exalted above, all created things. The whole universe reflecteth His glory, while He is Himself independent of, and transcendeth His creatures. This is the true meaning of Divine unity. He Who is the Eternal Truth is the one Power Who exerciseth undisputed sovereignty over the world of being, Whose image is reflected in the mirror of the entire creation. All existence is dependent upon Him, and from Him is derived the source of the sustenance of all things. This is what is meant by Divine unity; this is its fundamental principle.
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh
Author: Bahá’u’lláh Source: US Bahá’í Publishing Trust, 1990 pocket-size edition Pages: 346
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Can’t disagree with what you wrote:
“A Manifestation of God gives humans everything they will require for worship. All the tributes of God are found in His Temple, and they can be meditated upon and conceptualised.”
You make many valid points here Art
I have to meditate on this some more…Christians do worship the Father also…
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GaryTaylor
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Perhaps perfectly isn’t the right word. A close approximation.
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GaryTaylor
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When did the angels in Gods kingdom desire worship, as it is God they worship. Seems the immutable God has a slight variance in the kingdom where He wills the intelligable and unchangeable .
It is written, Exodus 22- “Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.”
It is written, Exodus 22- “Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.”
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Servant19
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I like precision thinkingPerhaps perfectly isn’t the right word. A close approximation.
God bless you Gary.
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GaryTaylor
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Worship is reserved for the Almighty God only. It is also written Isaiah 6- And they were calling to one another: “Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory.”
Revelation 4- Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: “‘Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,’ who was, and is, and is to come.”
In the highest order all worship the same as it is by Divine Order.
Matthew 4- Jesus said to him, For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."
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