Baha'i Returns Thread: Ask Any of Many Baha'i

[Servant19]

Continued…

Look here for the verses in the Qur’an which deny the Trinity, and deny the Incarnation:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Trinity

I reject any teaching which says that the Divine and Human natures of Christ can be separated. The orthodox teaching of the Church is that the Union is without division, without separation, without confusion, and without change.

Prior to the Incarnation, the Son did not have a human nature, but since the Incarnation, the Son has added to Himself a human nature. This is not a matter of separation; it is simply a matter of a non-existence of a human body and soul prior to the Incarnation, and the existence of a human body and soul since the Incarnation. So, since the Incarnation, there has never been a separation between the Son and His human nature.

As far as the creation of the human nature, yes, the human nature was created by the Son Himself, and assumed it unto Himself, and made it His own, about 2000 years ago. The ancient people on earth did not know about, or witness, or have records of, Jesus before His Incarnation, because He hasn’t incarnated yet. The Jewish people, especially, did know that the Messiah was coming, because He was prophesied in their Scriptures, but they didn’t know when it would happen. All the other nations on earth simply reached out to God, or usually several gods, to the best of their understanding, until the Son was incarnated and revealed as Jesus who brought the Gospel to the nations by means of His Apostles. All the ancient religions were a preparation for the Gospel, and the Gospel is for all people, who are all called to be baptized and become members of the Body of Christ.

This all occurred one time in history; the Divine Son’s incarnation as Jesus Christ, the Word becoming flesh and dwelt among us, happened one time and one time only in history. This same Son and Lord Jesus Christ will come again at the second coming. There has been no other times in history when the Divine Son became flesh, so people like Muhammad, Baha’u’llah, and any other false Manifestation is not the true incarnation of the Divine. It is, therefore, not a test from God for us to submit to these false Manifestations as if they were the various human forms of the Divine. Instead, it is the evil one who attacks the True Faith and makes men submit to false prophets such as Muhammad and Baha’u’llah. I urge you to reject these false prophets, and turn only to Jesus as the one and only true Son of God.

Yes, Jesus is a Prophet, but not only a Prophet. He is a Priest, but not only a Priest. He is a King, but not only a King. Saying that Jesus is a Prophet is not a deception to anyone, provided that one understands that Jesus is more than just being a Prophet. He is ultimately God the Son of God the Father. He prophesied about His own passion, death, and resurrection, and then fulfilled the prophecy, which no mere Prophet can do that. This tells us that this Jesus was no ordinary Prophet like any other Prophet before him. So, He is indeed a Prophet, and much more than that.

I wish you the best, take care, and God bless!

Rony

Note to my fellow Catholic brethren: I will be busy in the next coming weeks with various things that I have to do, and so my presence on the forums will be limited. I ask all my fellow Catholic brethren, if you wish, to pick up and answer any further responses that may occur from this dialogue with Servant19. God bless!

Hi Rony, and this is also a response to Steve who also rejects any separation of spirit and body, or divine and physical, by using the analogy of flour and yeast combine to make bread.

I have one question therefore:

When Jesus says that when two or three gather in His name, He will be present, in what condition is He present?

As the “yeast” or the “flour” or the “bread”?

When the catholic friends gather tonight to discuss how to help the homeless in Jesus’ name, does Jesus descend and makes His presence known in his FULL human capacity?

If we are to remain true to the Word in the Bible, if He descends in His glorified condition, then He will clearly be visible, and even touchable. So in what condition/state is He present?

My apologies to not yet responding to other posts, I am this weekend intensively helping with organization of one of the 114 global Bahai youth conferences, so my time is very short…

God bless

 

[Reuben_J]

Indeed, if any “one” says “Here is the Christ, or there is the Christ, Do not believe Him.”

It is fine for the Baha’is to believe this but not the Christians.

The prophecy of LK21:24 had been fulfilled.

As for Rev 3:21, God does not force himself on us but he will come in if we open the door of our hearts. Riches of the world do not save us. We think we are rich but actually we are poor; we are nothing. It is only Jesus who does and thus we should repent.

 

[PRmerger]

PR To me, the greatest miracle of all is that a Prophet of God, whichever One He may be, can take the sorry lot of humanity and bring the “humanity” out of us. That, to me, is the surest sign of “Divinity”.

That is, again, not a supernatural event.

Rather, it is a natural event. Becoming more “humane” at the urging of another is quite logical, reasonable and not at all miraculous.

There are reasons why Jesus, for example, told the story of the good Samaritan. Its because people did not really “see” most of humanity as humanity. It is also clear that this blindness has persisted. Hence, the great curse of racism which has blinded much of humanity to much of humanity.

Too true. Too true.

To take a batch of humans and actually get them to expand the comfort zone of their limited social, racial, cultural, and religious identity and extend their “humanity” to other members of humanity is an act of God!!

Certainly. But not a miraculous act of God. Not a supernatural act. Just a natural act.

They make us “see” ourselves and others in a new light.

True.

What we require as “potential” humans, assuming that humans is a complementary term, is some Force which is above and beyond us to get us to become “ourselves”, in the highest sense of potential: moral, spiritual, and social.

We need the catalyst of the divine bestowal to fertilize and make happen the growth of the human soul. The Holy Spirit comes to us through the Portal of the Prophets, or Manifestations of “God”, Who are Themselves the “Vehicle” of providence and the means by which God’s Words reach us and penetrate our hardened hearts.

Yes. Catholics call it grace. The normative way it is received is through the Sacraments. And always through Christ and His Church.

 

[PRmerger]

I believe that for whatever historical or theological reasons, people have created a sort of expediency in the concept of “Three Gods in One.”

This is not a correct explication of the Trinity.

We Trinitarians do not proclaim that we believe in 3 Gods in One.

It is no wonder that you reject the Trinity, if the above is what you believe represents the Christian dogma of the Trinity.

 

[PRmerger]

When Jesus says that when two or three gather in His name, He will be present, in what condition is He present?

Only in Spirit/Divinity. Not in Body.

 

[Servant19]

Rony,
. You have done a wonderful service by posting this Wikipedia link. Too often people speak from ignorance, filling the void with untruths. It is much, much better to investigate the truth for ourselves, educating ourselves, as to the actual “position” of the beliefs of others.

. To me, these verses from the Quran exalt and elevate the station of God in a manner harmonious with Jesus’ own words:

. “My Father is Greater than I.”

. I would be denying the Holiness of Christ by saying that He is Himself “equal” to God when He Himself says He is not.

. This is not creating disrespect or disparaging the lofty station of Jesus, the Christ. Not in any sense whatsoever. Rather, it is taking “Him” at “His” word. It would be blaspheme to do otherwise!

. When He, Jesus, said: “These are not My words, but Him that sent Me.” He is describing Himself as the “Messenger” of God, not God Himself, for God is, in Jesus’ own words, “Greater” than Him…

. I believe that for whatever historical or theological reasons, people have created a sort of expediency in the concept of “Three Gods in One.” There is a misunderstanding inherent in the terms and a bending of the proper use of the rules of logic which was for the cohesiveness of the group and there was an agreement to settle the differences, at the Council of Nicaea, I believe, to pacify the pantheists and the monotheists with some sort of compromise.

. The God of Abraham was One God.
. The God of Moses was One God.
. The God of Jesus was One God.
. The God of Muhammad was One God.
. The God of Baha’u’llah is One God.

. For the sake of understanding the Muslim position, I would very strongly urge everyone reading these posts to actually read and consider what Rony posted, for then the position, wether agreed to or disagreed to, would at least by analyzed and understood.

Here it is again:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Trinity

Hi Dale, and to all Baha’is on this thread.

Just wanted to point out that the doctrine of the Trinity, as wonderfully explained by Ronyodish a few pages back is 100% in alignment with Bahai theology.

The Bahai ringtone symbol is the perfect complement to the Trinitarians

God bless, I’m back off to bed, big day tomorrow. In 6 weeks time there will be an expected thousand youth, Baha’is, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Sikhs, all gathering in my home town for a conference which will propel them towards a lifetime of walking together with their fellow lovers of humanity, on a path of selfless service, sustainable socio-economic development, and agents for the education of humanity.

They will come to realize that the spiritual education and empowerment of the community to take ownership of their own development and progress and advancement is a far more sustainable endeavor than any charitable voluntary work.

Please pray for this noble endeavor, for it will assuredly change the fortunes of a global society desperately crying for sustainable prosperity, security and peace

God bless you all!

 

[Servant19]

Only in Spirit/Divinity. Not in Body.

THANKYOU PR, as I thought

 

[Little_Star_1]

Indeed, if any “one” says “Here is the Christ, or there is the Christ, Do not believe Him.”

Jesus did not say that all prophets that come after him would be false. He said to beware of false prophets. He said that those who know him know his voice. What comes from the voice? Speech. He was telling us to look to what they say. Determine from how they lead you as to if they are false. Again, here it says:

“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?…” Matthew 7:15

1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Jesus never said that there will be no more true prophets. He said listen to their words, watch their deeds. Are they guiding you to the truth of God or guiding you so as to take advantage of you. Nothing in the history of the Baha’i faith shows that their founder was acting out of self interest. The man lived and died as a martyr for God.

Do I accept all of the tenets of their religion? No, I do not. I read the words of their prayers and teachings regarding faith, transformation, unity, rising one’s mind and soul to a level that allows one to live with a being, a self, that is wholly of God, and I hear the voice of Jesus and his direction in the words of their writings. I know the truth of these words. I have lived the truth of these words and want to live it more fully.

Jesus did not call for us to worship him. He called for us to believe in him and who he was to the point that we live as he lived. We call him into our hearts. We, through him, turn over our will to the Father. The Baha’i believe the same about their founder. So what? If this man has lead people to worship the Father and live lives dedicated to unity, love, all things of the Father, how is that bad?

Is it bad that they put him on the same level as Christ? Well, it is up to the Father to determine if that is right or wrong. Will He judge their souls as having lived in sin for it? Again, up to the Father. However, read the Baha’i writings with an mind towards God and you will hear the voice of the Father speaking through them. Bahá’u’lláh was a man of God and this cannot be denied in Truth. I hear the voice of Jesus and hear the Father reaching out to me calling me higher, making me more purely His own through the Baha’i prayers. How do I explain who Bahá’u’lláh was and was not? I don’t. I know who Jesus is, and because I do, I know his voice.

Here is one of my favorite Baha’i prayers:

"O compassionate God! Thanks be to Thee for Thou hast awakened and made me conscious. Thou hast given me a seeing eye and favored me with a hearing ear, hast led me to Thy kingdom and guided me to Thy path. Thou hast shown me the right way and caused me to enter the ark of deliverance. O God! Keep me steadfast and make me firm and staunch. Protect me from violent tests and preserve and shelter me in the strongly fortified fortress of Thy Covenant and Testament. Thou art the Powerful. Thou art the Seeing. Thou art the Hearing.

O Thou the Compassionate God. Bestow upon me a heart which, like unto a glass, may be illumined with the light of Thy love, and confer upon me thoughts which may change this world into a rose garden through the outpourings of heavenly grace.

Thou art the Compassionate, the Merciful. Thou art the Great Beneficent God."

‘Abdu’l-Bahá

Wake up people. Learn to love in the manner that Jesus taught. You are looking straight into a chance to understand his words and to give them life by offering, maybe not your souls to their religion, but your hearts to their cause, and appreciating the beauty in the words of their founder. This opportunity is what Jesus spoke of when "Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers! “For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother.” Mark 3:24-35

 

[Little_Star_1]

That is, again, not a supernatural event.

Rather, it is a natural event. Becoming more “humane” at the urging of another is quite logical, reasonable and not at all miraculous.

Too true. Too true.

Certainly. But not a miraculous act of God. Not a supernatural act. Just a natural act.

True.

Yes. Catholics call it grace. The normative way it is received is through the Sacraments. And always through Christ and His Church.

"Prayer is lived in the first place beginning with the realities of creation. The first nine chapters of Genesis describe this relationship with God as an offering of the first-born of Abel’s flock, as the invocation of the divine name at the time of Enoch, and as “walking with God.” 5 Noah’s offering is pleasing to God, who blesses him and through him all creation, because his heart was upright and undivided; Noah, like Enoch before him, "walks with God.“6 This kind of prayer is lived by many righteous people in all religions.”

Catechism 2569

Grace is given to all who seek God, no matter what their religion. To deny this,is to deny the power and character of the Lord the Father of all.

 

[SteveVH]

Hi Rony, and this is also a response to Steve who also rejects any separation of spirit and body, or divine and physical, by using the analogy of flour and yeast combine to make bread.

I have one question therefore:

When Jesus says that when two or three gather in His name, He will be present, in what condition is He present?

As the “yeast” or the “flour” or the “bread”?

The Bread. Jesus is Jesus, both God and man. You cannot separate his two natures from his Person. You must remember that God is one. When we call down the Holy Spirit, Jesus is present there as well as the Father. We believe that God is omnipresent; that is that he is everywhere. Jesus Christ’s human body is no longer bound by time and space nor the restraints imposed by the laws of physics.

When the catholic friends gather tonight to discuss how to help the homeless in Jesus’ name, does Jesus descend and makes His presence known in his FULL human capacity?

Are you asking if Jesus physically appears to us? No. He has no need to. As Catholics we believe that he, together with the Father and the Holy Spirit, dwell within us by virtue of our Baptism and most especially the Holy Eucharist. He founded his Church to carry on his mission on earth and he remains with his Church, as he promised he would. That is why a relationship with Christ means a relationship with his Church where we interact with him through the sacraments and worship him as a body; the Body of Christ. His presence is multiplied throughout the world in every Catholic Church on the earth.

The bottom line is this. God is not limited by anything. He is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. He lives in eternity and can appear in any way he chooses. If you want to see his face, look into the eyes of a hungry child.

If we are to remain true to the Word in the Bible, if He descends in His glorified condition, then He will clearly be visible, and even touchable. So in what condition/state is He present?

He is present in his glorified state in which he will remain for eternity. If he wishes to be physically present then he will be physically present. If he wishes to be present in a purely spiritual sense then that is how he will be present. In order that he may nourish us with his own body and blood he is present, body, blood, soul and divinity, sacramentally, in the Eucharist.

My apologies to not yet responding to other posts, I am this weekend intensively helping with organization of one of the 114 global Bahai youth conferences, so my time is very short…

God bless

I work with Catholic youth and certainly appreciate the importance of this ministry. May God bless you and all the youth attending your conference.

Steve

 

[PRmerger]

"Prayer is lived in the first place beginning with the realities of creation. The first nine chapters of Genesis describe this relationship with God as an offering of the first-born of Abel’s flock, as the invocation of the divine name at the time of Enoch, and as “walking with God.” 5 Noah’s offering is pleasing to God, who blesses him and through him all creation, because his heart was upright and undivided; Noah, like Enoch before him, "walks with God.“6 This kind of prayer is lived by many righteous people in all religions.”

Catechism 2569

Amen!

Grace is given to all who seek God, no matter what their religion.

Amen! And you receive this grace only through Christ.

To deny this,is to deny the power and character of the Lord the Father of all.

This is very Catholic.

 

[SteveVH]

Jesus did not say that all prophets that come after him would be false. He said to beware of false prophets. He said that those who know him know his voice. What comes from the voice? Speech. He was telling us to look to what they say. Determine from how they lead you as to if they are false. Again, here it says:

“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?…” Matthew 7:15

1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Jesus never said that there will be no more true prophets. He said listen to their words, watch their deeds. Are they guiding you to the truth of God or guiding you so as to take advantage of you. Nothing in the history of the Baha’i faith shows that their founder was acting out of self interest. The man lived and died as a martyr for God.

"In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son." (Hebrews 1:1-2)

With the advent of Christ’s coming into the world, we no longer depend upon prophets for revelation. “Jesus is the Father’s one, perfect and unsurpassable Word. In him he has said everything; there will be no other Word than this one.” (CCC par 65).

Anyone claiming to have further revelation than that revealed to us by Jesus, rejects Jesus as God’s only Word and implies that the revelation of Jesus Christ is insufficient, lacking in one way or another. As St. John of the Cross tells us “Any person questioning God or desiring some vision or revelation would be guilty not only of foolish behavior but also of offending him, by not fixing his eyes entirely upon Christ and by living with the desire for some other novelty.”

If we are to believe that Baha’u’llah has something to reveal that has not already been revealed and completely fulfilled in Jesus Christ then we are following a false prophet. Baha’u’llah does not point us to Christ, but rather to himself, and claims to be a light greater than Christ. This is exactly the type of “prophet” we were warned against following.

 

[Little_Star_1]

Amen!

Amen! And you receive this grace only through Christ.

This is very Catholic.

The quote clearly states “by all religions”. A Truth is a Truth. It does not hold true for one man or one religion and all others are denied. I wish I had the ability to explain this without alienating people. God operates as God operates. He is not confined by the words believed to be true by one religion. He does not care what words are accepted as Truth by one religion in particular or that that religion has interpreted His words to exclude all others from finding His light. He does what He will and He has poured Himself down onto many men of different faiths, creeds, nationalities, and colors. God is All and All is God. To say that men can find their way to Him by one path established by man is foolish. Jesus said the it was a narrow path to Heaven. He didn’t say that the path was limited to one group of people or the methods established by one church. The path is one that is walked through life. Jesus will guide us in whatever form he chooses. The Father will welcome us as long as our hearts are pure in their desire to live in His light. Theology can be thrown out the window when one sits down to worship in the presence of the Father. If you have not experienced this, you will not know it. If you limit God to those things established in a theology, you may miss Him. Read between the lines into the Spirit. I am not saying that one church is wrong or any church is wrong. I am saying that God is not necessary how our theologies describe Him to be. The church can direct you to the path. However, it is your heart that will keep you on it and to God. God is too Great to be summed up in our ideas of Him no matter what a theology may teach. We can’t understand it, but we can live it through Him that is within us.

 

[PRmerger]

The quote clearly states “by all religions”.

Yes–and I amended it to say that non-Christians can indeed receive Grace, but it is only through Christ that it is given.

There is no salvation outside of Christ, and outside of His Body, the Catholic Church.

Now, one need not be a registered member of a Catholic parish in order to be saved, but if you are saved, it is because you have embraced the Catholic faith.

Additionally, one need not be Catholic in order to receive Grace, but if a non-Catholic receives it, it is only through Christ. And it’s a lot easier to receive the grace and cooperate with it if one is Catholic.

 

[PRmerger]

The quote clearly states “by all religions”. A Truth is a Truth. It does not hold true for one man or one religion and all others are denied. I wish I had the ability to explain this without alienating people. God operates as God operates. He is not confined by the words believed to be true by one religion.

This is very Catholic.

And, all Truth is Catholic Truth.

He does not care what words are accepted as Truth by one religion in particular or that that religion has interpreted His words to exclude all others from finding His light

You really think God “does not care what words are accepted as Truth by one religion”?

What about people who profess that God laughs when a soldier dies? Do you think that God doesn’t care about this?

I believe that God does indeed “care what words are accepted as Truth by one religion”. And that He abhors some of these words.

 

[PRmerger]

To say that men can find their way to Him by one path established by man is foolish.

Yes. You are absolutely correct. And the Baha’i faith is one of those paths established by man.

However, Catholicism is a path that was sent down by God Himself. And thus is not established by man.

Jesus said the it was a narrow path to Heaven.

True. Absolutely true.

Incidentally, when you say that Jesus said this…you are trusting the words of men, Catholic men, who told you Jesus said this.

You would not know it any other way, except that the Catholic Church preserved these words for you and told you that this was a teaching of Christ.

 

[Little_Star_1]

This is very Catholic.

And, all Truth is Catholic Truth.

You really think God “does not care what words are accepted as Truth by one religion”?

What about people who profess that God laughs when a soldier dies? Do you think that God doesn’t care about this?

I believe that God does indeed “care what words are accepted as Truth by one religion”. And that He abhors some of these words.

No, all Truth is God. To attach such importance to a church, where you are putting the “truth” preached by a church on the same level as God is wrong minded. By saying “all Truth is Catholic Truth” you are doing just that and, to me, this is blasphemy. You are embarking on some dangerous territory.

I have been told by a number of Catholics, including a Friar and an Abbott, that I am a natural Catholic. I have never attended a Catholic church. Many Baha’i have said that I am a natural Baha’i. This is the thing, if I have learned anything from my Teachers, and they were not of a church, it is that nothing can hold all of God’s Truth, not one man not one religion. Even the angels do not know all that is of God. Every religion conceived by man, and they all were, is in Error to some degree, as man errs. However, our errors are to show us where we need correction. The problem is, we refuse to take it. We say, so and so said this or that; and, so it must be true. Unless God is saying it to you and you are fullu “awake” as Jesus was, some part of it is a bit off target. Jesus revealed to us what he could that we could take in at that particular time in our development in awakening to our true selves. Yet, the glorifying of doctrine has held us limited to that which was revealed to us at that time and has, as a result, slowed our spiritual growth and awakening. As a result, you have long time Christians, especially Catholics, running from traditional dogma as they recognize that something is missing.

We are called to develop our souls, so that our spirits can fly to the full potential placed within the seat of God within us in our hearts and minds. We are to use our lives as a path to living in complete communion with God, seeing all things through His lens and handling each condition as instructed by Him. Life is to be a walking meditation. Nothing is to be judged by our standards, nothing.

Yes, Catholics state they believe this; but, do they all practice it? From statements such as your’s, it is obvious that you, for one, do not. My Abbott does as does the Friar I met with. I was told that it depends on where a Catholic receives instruction. So, there is no universal belief regarding this. Otherwise, you, and others, would not make such statements. I ran a statement made on here by a nun by my Abbott (I call him mine because knowing him is a gift). The statement was that the Catholic church owns the Bible. He said that whoever said that has received poor teaching and improper indoctrination. No one, nothing created on Earth owns the Word of God.

This is where man falls so short of understanding so as to limit that which is heard and understood as Truth by all men. WE DO NOT TRULY KNOW THE WILL OF GOD. We can try our best; but, we can’t do it. We submit to His will BECAUSE we do not know His will. We pray that He uses us according to His will and He makes it happen, not us.

We must accept that we do not know and then we can begin to grow according to His will for each of us, Baha’i, Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist, whatever. See that you are a student and that God alone is your teacher and then you may get the chance to sit down with Him.

 

[Little_Star_1]

Yes. You are absolutely correct. And the Baha’i faith is one of those paths established by man.

However, Catholicism is a path that was sent down by God Himself. And thus is not established by man.

True. Absolutely true.

Incidentally, when you say that Jesus said this…you are trusting the words of men, Catholic men, who told you Jesus said this.

You would not know it any other way, except that the Catholic Church preserved these words for you and told you that this was a teaching of Christ.

No, PR, when I say that Jesus said something, it isn’t because of something written. Yes, I have read the Bible and commentary on it. But, I am guided by another source. Studying the Bible is done by me for confirmation that I am not way off base in what I receive as teaching. You know what, just simply love God, beyond what is written and trust that He is ever present, in all things. He is your next breathe.

 

[Little_Star_1]

In fact, read the Old Testament to see how good we are at knowing the Will of God. Read it with this question in mind, how well does man know the Will of God. Then, read the New Testament and ask how well did the learned men, men steeped in the teachings of God’s ways, know the Will of God when His Son stood before them? Stop attributing any kind of truly Godly wisdom to man. We don’t have it. We were not made that way. We were made to serve Him and when we venture to believe we know, we end up cast out of The Garden, and hence you have the current condition of man, still ignorant but thinking we know and blaming our condition on folks that we say just don’t know and follow. Few of us follow. None of us Know.

As a result, you have long time Christians, especially Catholics, running from traditional dogma as they recognize that something is missing. They take all that was said and use it as a path to go beyond it and end up glorifying their own personhood (I made that word up.) A good example of this is all that “positive thinking” stuff. That stuff is a bunch of phooey. I hope this “great recession” has cured those folks of that.

 

[Little_Star_1]

I forgot to address your comment about some words, particularly those folks protesting at the funerals of soldiers. Those folks are following a false prophet and have been snookered by the devil. It is another example of believing the words of man. If words teach hateful things, they are not of God. These folks are just plain lost. They are to be sincerely prayed for and not judged for their mistake does not fall so far than that made by most of us at some point in time in some way.

But, when the words of someone come your way that contain Truth, that teach love, and offer enlightenment, don’t turn away from them just because the author of the words does not fit your dogma’s idea of a enlightened man. Read the words, ask God, to reveal to you the meaning, if any, for you in the words. Don’t just throw them aside because they did not spring from your faith. You may miss a chance to grow ever closer to God. Learn discernment.