BAHA'I thread III - feel free to ask of Baha'i any questions

[Servant19]

it is amusing, at least to me, how similar the mormon and bahai religions are. a prominent feature that both share is to take the sacred scriptures written by, preserved by and interpreted consistently by the RCC and to spin the sacred scripture by giving them an entirely different meaning from the historically consistent meaning provided to the world by the christian community that was created by Jesus.

another prominent feature is the way both mormons and bahai teach that their founder was directed by the Holy Spirit. they both affirm this by the feelings they get from their religions. they both claim that Jesus’ life, death and resurrection were not sufficient for the salvation of mankind.

they both rely on new scriptures that they claim have the Holy Spirit as their origin.

perhaps we christians should realize that false prophets often, if not always, have similar traits that betray the lack of truth in their beliefs, the most prominent feature of false religions seems to be their absolute determination to re-interpret the life, death, resurrection and teachings of Jesus.

My friend, you can use that exact same post and slot it in nicely as a quote from the Pharisees when they encountered Jesus.

Instead of the word “Mormon” you can replace it with the word “Zealot party” (or any if the other movements during Jesus’ time) and replace the word “Bahai” with the word “Jesus”
Finally the letters “RCC” can be replaced with “Jewish laying of hands and Authoritative Tradition”

Straight from a Jewish rejector of Christ…

 

[Lochias]

Everyone who is not yet in heaven experiences the depravation of the vision of God to one extent or another. It is the “great longing” in every in every human heart. The Catechism tells us that those awaiting entry into heaven were deprived of the vision of God which makes perfect sense; they had not yet reached heaven. The problem is in comparing this to the damned in hell where there is total deprivation and no hope.

Ah. Well, that makes sense. Thanks for the learning moment.

The point, then, is that the souls waiting for Heaven did not experience the total deprivation of hell, as opposed to those souls who are lost.

Yeah?

 

[Servant19]

Maybe. But I have yet to see any evidence that this is true. I don’t think the Baha’i have a concept of “Grace”. Maybe you can help explain.

Well in which case I refer back to my post #971.

I’m sincerely not trying to play games, I simply struggled to understand what PR was asking me. My apologies if it came across as insincere

 

[eddie_too]

servant19,

you seriously need to study more about the RCC before making comments that have little to do witht the RCC reality.

Jesus said that He did not come to change the law, not even its smallest letter.

so, to conclude the jews attacked Jesus because He repudiating there religion is simply nonsense.

they repudiated Jesus because He threatened their power, their hold on the people. it was not in anyway related to His teachings. the jews opposition was motivated by the influence He was gaining over their constitutents.

just like the mormons, the bahai try to use Jesus and His life, death and resurrection, to gain influence over the ignorant. they deman Jesus by denying HIm and the Church He founded. the bahai imagine a Jesus that is totally unrelated to the Jesus of the gospels or the Jesus preserved through His Holy RCC.

your constant muttering about christians attack bahaullah just like the jews attacked Jesus is simply ignorant tripe (nothing personal intended, just trying to state objectively what is going on with the bahai attacks on Jesus).

you think i am being harsh? what do you expect me to do when you, as did bahaullah, totally and ignorantly misrepresent virtually everything Jesus said and did.

 

[Servant19]

Maybe. But I have yet to see any evidence that this is true. I don’t think the Baha’i have a concept of “Grace”. Maybe you can help explain.

It’s getting a tad late here, I’m sure other Baha’is will provide ample reflections on Grace.

One aspect of grace in a nutshell, is that by the grace of God, we are provided guidance on how we can align our lives, both individually and collectively, with His Will. His grace also assists us with implementing these teachings/guidances.

Maybe we can talk more about this and explore any similarities and points of unity

 

[SteveVH]

Ah. Well, that makes sense. Thanks for the learning moment.

The point, then, is that the souls waiting for Heaven did not experience the total deprivation of hell, as opposed to those souls who are lost.

Yeah?

Yeah.

I think it is futile for us to speculate on what they experienced. But it certainly was not the complete depravation and hopelessness that those who are damned experience. The theory of “Limbo”, I believe, was formed around this question in an effort to distinguish between the two “hells”. Limbo was not seen as a place of great suffering, but they still did not experience the beatific vision. Now “Limbo” is not a doctrine of the Church and never has been. But it is demonstrative of the Church’s position that the “hell” to which Christ descended was not the “hell” of the damned.

 

[SteveVH]

It’s getting a tad late here, I’m sure other Baha’is will provide ample reflections on Grace.

One aspect of grace in a nutshell, is that by the grace of God, we are provided guidance on how we can align our lives, both individually and collectively, with His Will. His grace also assists us with implementing these teachings/guidances.

Maybe we can talk more about this and explore any similarities and points of unity

You have a deal. Not to mention that I think we would both agree that it would be nice to get on to other subject matter.

Have a peaceful rest, Servant.

Just realized that we have already gone over the 1000 post mark once again. Maybe we can start fresh.

 

[arthra]

Ah yeah it would appear this thread is at the 1,000 post limit…

I would hope that another thread would have a “fresh” start … but I’ve learned some things in researching questions! Maybe a tad more mutual respect and less acrimony perhaps…instead of my side verses your side kind of thing.

 

[SteveVH]

Ah yeah it would appear this thread is at the 1,000 post limit…

I would hope that another thread would have a “fresh” start … but I’ve learned some things in researching questions! Maybe a tad more mutual respect and less acrimony perhaps…instead of my side verses your side kind of thing.

Comparing and contrasting our beliefs is how we learn. While this is a Baha’i thread, it is on a Catholic forum. There is nothing uncharitable or disrespectful in setting one straight as to the actual beliefs and doctrines of one’s faith tradition, especially when they are being portrayed falsely. This would apply to both sides of the discussion.

 

[arthra]

Comparing and contrasting our beliefs is how we learn. While this is a Baha’i thread, it is on a Catholic forum. There is nothing uncharitable or disrespectful in setting one straight as to the actual beliefs and doctrines of one’s faith tradition, especially when they are being portrayed falsely. This would apply to both sides of the discussion.

Comparing and contrasting is alright in a spirit of good will… I’m not interested in attacking Catholicism. The only reason I post here is if there are questions about Baha’i Faith.

I think in Christian tradition there is more of a contentious kind of flavor …maybe goes back to the early Church Fathers… We don’t really practise that in the Baha’i Faith.

For us

“We ask God graciously to grant that all may evince such fairness of character, such goodliness of deed and kindliness of word as will meet with His good pleasure. It hath been decreed that the citadels of men’s hearts should be subdued through the hosts of a noble character and praiseworthy deeds. Contention, discord, strife and sedition have all been forbidden in the Book of God”

From a Tablet - translated from the Persian and Arabic)
(Compilations, The Compilation of Compilations vol II, p. 330)

 

[eddie_too]

too funny, all the bahai who have posted here have done is attack the RCC.

do they seriously think telling RCs that their teachings on Jesus Christ, His resurrection, His divinity, the meaning of sacred scripture, etc. etc. etc. are wrong is NOT an attack on RCs and the RCC?

pray that the bahai who spout such nonsense someday get in touch with reality.