Baker denies a "wedding cake" to a same sex couple

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Good for her! She’s running her business from the prvacy of her own home and she can do business with whoever she chooses, I applaud her for standing up for what she believes in.

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A central Iowa same-sex couple’s wedding planning came to a sudden halt.
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Victoria Childress, owner of Victoria’s Cake Cottage in Des Moines, met with Trina Vodraska and Janelle Sievers during a cake-testing appointment to break the news, which caught them off-guard.
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“They came in and she introduced herself, and I said, ‘Is this your sister?’ (She said,) ‘No, this is my partner.’ I said, ‘OK,’ and I asked them to sit down and I said, ‘We need to talk,’” said Victoria Childress, who runs her cake baking business from home. “I said, ‘I’ll tell you I’m a Christian, and I do have convictions.’ And I said, 'I’m sorry to tell you, but I’m not going to be able to do your cake.”
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Good for her! I’d have done the same thing!

This quote really cracks me up:
“As Christians, we are supposed to be unselfish, and do things for the greatest good of mankind, and not pass judgment,” said Hendrickson.
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What the baker did was EXACTLY in the “greatest good of mankind”!!! Not supporting and encouraging immoral activity is just precisely that! And don’t get me started about “judging”… :rolleyes:

~Liza
 
Bigotry: stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own.

Yep.

Kudos to the Baker. 👍

Call me a bigot too, any day, if by that one means stubbornly and intolerantly sticking to my faith.

Oh, and forgot to mention the sickening bias in this story. Totally expected, but sickening, nonetheless.
 
BTW, for those who don’t know, thanks to the great Iowa Supreme Court, same sex “marriage” is legal in Iowa :rolleyes:
 
Now …if she is a catholic…

…should she deny cakes for second weddings where the first marriage has not been annuled…?

I would say that the same rules would have to apply.
 
Perhaps she will have to try to avoid soliciting too much information about the couples so that she can make the cakes in good conscience (I’m not saying that she went out of her way to find out info about this couple).
 
garn9173 said:
Good for her! She’s running her business from the prvacy of her own home and she can do business with whoever she chooses, I applaud her for standing up for what she believes in.

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All of our skills come to us by the grace of God. If someone feels that they cannot use their skills to support something evil, because it is an affront to God, they should not.

This person has a business, and if the state says there is some kind of punishment for serving one person and not another (i.e. discrimination) then the baker would still have to do the right thing and take the punishment - but it is good that she did what is right.

It is very similar to the situation in Communist USSR. In that time, religion was legally banned. This did not mean that people did not worship - they still had to do that because it is what God has commanded. They still could not deny that they were Catholic, because that would be denying Jesus. They could take the punishment. Follow the law of the state second and the law of God first.
 
The wedding would have happened either way. She could have been charitable by making the cake and at the same time sharing her faith with them. It might have made a better impression on the two women.
 
Wow!

That’s not really very Christian.

There is a difference from supporting Traditional Marriage and treating other people different.

What she did is called segregation and we all know segregation is wrong.
What she did is nothing to be proud of or is it to be encourages.
 
SwissGuard25 said:
Wow!

That’s not really very Christian.

There is a difference from supporting Traditional Marriage and treating other people different.

What she did is called segregation and we all know segregation is wrong.
What she did is nothing to be proud of or is it to be encourages.
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Um, segregation? Really? Same thing as black-only and white-only water fountains?

Does anyone have a right to have a cake? Is refusing to make a cake to celebrate an event that is evil an affront to human dignity? How so?

If a man came to her house and ordered a cake to celebrate abortion rights, would the baker be a bigot if she refused to sell him a cake?

Peace

Tim
 
DaddyGirl said:
Honestly, she should have them all fill out a questionnaire before arriving for their first appointment.
Better yet, she should list in her add all the people she will NOT bake a cake for and save those who don’t fit her beliefs the trouble of hauling their cookies all the way to her house to taste her celebration cake.
It would just be more efficient for everybody that way.
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Though I admire the baker for standing up for her convictions, you do bring up some interesting points to consider. Even if she did have a questionnaire for her potential customers, there is nothing that will stop someone from lying to her about the circumstances surrounding the occasion for the cake in the future.
 
Orogeny said:
If a man came to her house and ordered a cake to celebrate abortion rights, would the baker be a bigot if she refused to sell him a cake?

Peace

Tim
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She could refuse to decorate cake in a particular way that would promote immorality, but she could at least offer to make a cake without such graphics and explain that she does not condone what they are celebrating.
 
@daddys

How many of those things can you tell by looking at the couple? None? Do you see why there is a difference? It is the public nature of their gender which makes it different than any of your list of essentially “private” (in the sense that you can’t tell by looking, not in the sense that it doesn’t affect the body of Christ) instances of grave matter.

@bear

If she knew about second marriage/no annulment, I think she would be justified in refusiing, but as above, how will she know by looking?

I’m with Tim, I do not think she has the obligation to contribute to a celebration of an intrinsic evil.
 
ivebeenshown said:
She could refuse to decorate cake in a particular way that would promote immorality, but she could at least offer to make a cake without such graphics and explain that she does not condone what they are celebrating.
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I’m sorry, but the very thought of that is revolting. If someone asked me to do such a thing he would not be long on my porch before he knew EXACTLY what I think of his “cause”, and that in no way whatsoever would I ever EVER support it, even indirectly.

:mad:

Call me a biggot then, I’ll be happy to carry the name, if that’s what standing up for truth and morals means.

~Liza
 
Yes because when Jesus met sinners…he actually sat down and ate with them.
 
on the fence with this one. I dont agree with discrimination of any kind and with that sentiment in mind the baker is entitled to refuse her services to this couple if she so wishes just as much as the ladies in question are entitled to live their lives together xxxx
 
DaddyGirl said:
Well if it’s her own business, I guess she can choose with whom she wants to do business with–she’s her own boss.

But I wonder how far she takes this?
Does she ask heterosexual couples if they have had sex before their wedding and are therefore sinning…and then does she refuse to make their cake, too?

Or does she check to make sure all her clients are christian?
Does she check to see if a couple is using artificial birth control before baking them a cake?
Does she make sure that no one has had an abortion or neither of the couple have been married before–and if so, that they have had their previous marriage annulled before she makes them a cake?

Would she turn away a Mormon couple about to wed? A Jewish couple, since they probably don’t think Jesus was the son of God, but just a troublemaker who was found guilty of sedition?

Honestly, she should have them all fill out a questionnaire before arriving for their first appointment.
Better yet, she should list in her add all the people she will NOT bake a cake for and save those who don’t fit her beliefs the trouble of hauling their cookies all the way to her house to taste her celebration cake.
It would just be more efficient for everybody that way.
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it’s one thing to have something in your face and another to have to dig for it. for instance, the birth control. she’d had to really quiz the people in order to find out the answers to her questions. in this case, she said, is this your sister. wow, that’s really worthy of a questionaire.

and if you can’t see a moral and ethical difference between your examples and the SSM scenario, perhaps you should do a search on CAF for SSM threads. There are certainly plenty of them.
 
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