Baltimore priest removed for liturgical abuse

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anamchara said:
you miss my point, I’ll try again. It does not matter if we agree with the Bishop. Of course the Bishop was right. However, there still should be some empathy for the priest.
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Actually, the correct word is not ‘empathy’ but Pity.

As Christians, we are called to pity those who fall, and as act of Mercy, to offer correction.

That is what the Bishop did, and that is why we are correct in cheering his actions. It was Mercy played out in front of us.

Christ told us this Himself, when he told the parable of the widow’s lost coint and the lost sheep ( Luke 15). The Bishop, a true shepard, swept the house looking for the lost coin, and we are called to rejoice when the coin is recovered.

This lost coin is recovered with the priest repents of his (abiet well intentioned, I’ll grant) error. But if the error was made with good intention, the promise not to do it again should be easy for the priest to make. At which point, the coin is recovered, the lost sheep is found, and the bishop may call us all to rejoice!!!
I take it from your post that you have no sympathy at all for the community and this priest because they sort of deserved what they had coming?
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Why would we have sympathy, to feel as they do ( which is really what sympathy means). Rather, we are called to assit them in being sympathic to God. To see and feel God’s pain at their actions.
 
If I was a parishoner of his parish and had a 7-year-old about to make First Holy Communion and having witnessed his bizarre and many liturgical abuses…I would take my kid to a different parish. I would want my kid to receive Jesus without the circus.

Same for someone needing Last Rites.

Who needs that?
 
KathleenElsie said:
These things would cause a Mass to be invalid.

http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/liturgy/lituinst.htm
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Can somebody tell me if the following would make the Mass invalid? or, The Eucharist invalid…or possibly ilicit?

I actually heard the following MYSLEF (i.e., with my OWN ears)…both times from the SAME PRIEST, and I was VERY disturbed by it.

While at two DIFFERENT Children’ Masses, the priest said. “When you do this, remember me.”… INSTEAD OF…“Do this in memory of me.”

He CHANGED the words spoken by Christ at the Last Supper. The changed variation really says (means) WHILE YOU’RE AT IT, GIVE ME A THOUGHT." The other is a COMMAND…to DO, as I have JUST DONE, (change the SUBSTANCE of the Bread and Wine) into MY body and blood.

These have two DIFFERENT meanings!!! Though the precise words of Consecration were exact, the ARROGANCE of that priest to THINK that he could say it BETTER than Christ Himself, did not go unnoticed.

As Catholics, we have a RIGHT to receive the tenants of our faith WITHOUT ERROR.

Did this change of wording invalidate or make ilicit the Mass itself or the Consecretion of the Eucharist? Anyone know?
 
Archbishop Edwin F. O’Brien took action to stop scandalizing the laity caused by Reverend Ray Martin of South Baltimore when Father Martin recently presided over a funeral mass during which cannon law was violated.🤷 Archbishop O’Brien fired Father Martin as pastor.

Father Martin had allowed an Episcopal priest (Reverend Annette Chappell) to read the gospel at a funeral mass which is not allowable.

“Progressives” deplore this usage of authority. 😦 The Faithful applaud the fact that the Church has found a Bishop who does not suffer from attacks of osteoporosis.🙂

Also on the East Coast, Worcester, Massachusetts Bishop Robert McManus recently warned Holy Cross (Jesuit College) that it risked losing the right to “continue to be recognized as a Catholic institution” when its president, Father Michael McFarland, defied :mad: the bishop’s directive to stop a Planned Parenthood / NARAL - affiliated “Preventing Teen Pregnancy” conference from being held on the Holy Cross campus.

Bone loss over time can lead to osteoporosis and can put one at a higher risk for fracture. Seems like the Baltimore and Worcester laity are receiving help from the Bishops avoiding further fractures in the Body of Christ.
 
The Chruch and McDonalds.

Sounds sort of wierd to compare the two. The Chruch sets up rules. McDonalds sets up rules too. For some reason we tend to believe its ok for the Chruch rules to be broken. We’d be up in arms if a McDonalds manager broke the rules. Imagine going to a McDonalds and finding that the manager was tired of burgers and was serving up pizza instead.

The rules are for our own good. I feel so bad for the priest. We need priests. I pray for him to understand why what he did was wrong.
 
rick_cop said:
The Chruch and McDonalds.

Sounds sort of wierd to compare the two. The Chruch sets up rules. McDonalds sets up rules too. For some reason we tend to believe its ok for the Chruch rules to be broken. We’d be up in arms if a McDonalds manager broke the rules. Imagine going to a McDonalds and finding that the manager was tired of burgers and was serving up pizza instead.

The rules are for our own good. I feel so bad for the priest. We need priests. I pray for him to understand why what he did was wrong.
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Sorry, any point you were trying to make was completely lost on me the moment you compared the Church to McDonalds.😃

Nohome
 
Dauphin said:
No true unity can permit protestant heresy. That is the definition of false ecumenism - to “tolerate” mistruth and to veil our differences in ambiguous terms. It’s a deception that you would gladly engage in, and it would bring many souls to ruin. (or do protestants not believe in the soul anymore?)

That’s fantastic! Warm feelings and friendships between Catholics and protestants is an excellent thing, and I’m sure it pleases Christ. We can certainly do good works together, but we are not saved by works.

Yep. That’s heresy. When Christ founded His church upon Peter, that church contained the entire truth. God doesn’t do things imperfectly. He promised that that one church would not fall into error, and it hasn’t.

Provide one source that says the Catholic church pretends to completely understand the nature of God. You won’t be able to. God’s greatness is unknowable, but the fullness of truth that He can possibly reveal is present in the Catholic Church.
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God doesn’t do things imperfectly you are right!!. BUT WE AS MERE MORTALS DO!!! And are we not all mere mortals? There forth if we boast let us boast only of what we have received. For all have received, so that “NO ONE” may boast!!! That includes all churches who believe! ST Paul confessed his sins and boasted of what he had received!!

Remember we were grafted on we can be grafted OFF!!

Like St. Paul said: Do not say I am of Paul or who ever. I water, another plants but God causes the growth!!!

For it is God who makes us “HOLY”!!

Those who want to be first will be LAST!

Remember Jesus word you tell them not to lie and you lie!
Do you tell them not to steal and you steal!

WE were created out of “LOVE” to become “LOVE” to serve “LOVE”

Let us pray for each other!
God Bless to you all!
 
planter654 said:
God doesn’t do things imperfectly you are right!!. BUT WE AS MERE MORTALS DO!!! And are we not all mere mortals? There forth if we boast let us boast only of what we have received. For all have received, so that “NO ONE” may boast!!! That includes all churches who believe! ST Paul confessed his sins and boasted of what he had received!! QUOTE]
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Haven’t you just negated your own argument? Jesus spoke to Peter of His church**. That’s singular not the plural “churches.” Apostolic succession is not a boast; it’s a reality (historical fact) in the Catholic Church.
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KCT said:
The family of the deceased requested the Episcopal minister be part of the funeral Mass. —KCT
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A Funeral Mas is not a free for all… it is a Mass… the common prayer of the Catholic Church and thus must be within the guidelines of the Catholic Church… the reception after the Mass would have been the proper time for any person to read or say what they felt… The Gospel must be read by a deacon or Priest during the Mass no matter what the desires of the family member of the soul who passed… Mass is nobodies personal way of expressing themselves…
 
catharina said:
planter654;3038346:
God doesn’t do things imperfectly you are right!!. BUT WE AS MERE MORTALS DO!!! And are we not all mere mortals? There forth if we boast let us boast only of what we have received. For all have received, so that “NO ONE” may boast!!! That includes all churches who believe! ST Paul confessed his sins and boasted of what he had received!! QUOTE]
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Haven’t you just negated your own argument? Jesus spoke to Peter of His church**
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. That’s singular not the plural “churches.” Apostolic succession is not a boast; it’s a reality (historical fact) in the Catholic Church.

Yes! Jesus spoke to Peter of “HIS CHURCH”! Jesus Church!!! This is what everyone is arguing about thinking they are “THEE CHURCH” the “ONLY TRUE” Church!! That is why there is so many different Churches! And there is “NO” peace in the world. No Love, vanity of self LOVE etc. It is not the Church that makes us Holy, God and God alone makes us “HOLY” Only through Jesus Christ and " IN HIS NAME" all who believe. We were created from “LOVE” to become “LOVE” to serve “LOVE”!

Jesus when he walked the earth walk where? " to the lost sheep of Israel" Where did Jesus preach? To whom? Why? Jesus set aside ST. Paul who was Saul to go and preach where and to whom?

Jesus gave the Keys to “HIS HOUSE—JESUS HOUSE” to Peter. If I give you the keys to my house while I am gone you do not “own” my home but you do not give my keys to someone else either, if I do not command you to do so, do you? Who’s foundation are we building upon, is it not Jesus? Who ever builds upon “MY foundation” whether it be with, wood or straw etc will be measured. There is only “ONE” God, “ONE” Kingdom, “ONE” church we make up all who believe make up Jesus church and Jesus is “HIGH PRIEST” forever, don’t you think?

Does Jesus not give his message to the “7” churches in the bible? What they did wrong and what pleased him and what did not please him?

Jesus said: In heaven there is “NO” Jew, “NO” Greek, “NO” man “NO” woman etc, did he not!

Jesus sent ST. PAUL to the “GENTLES” us, did he not? Yes! the other disciples, apostles where sent to go out into the nations and preach, but ST. PAUL was an apostle set aside and commanded by Jesus to go and preach to the “GENTLES” us!

St. Paul was held in chains where in Rome where he wrote his gospels that is why we have so many of them in our Bible, don’t you think?

WE “ALL” have received so no “ONE” can “BOAST”. St. Paul said: If you “BOAST”, “BOAST” of what you have received for “ALL” have received so “NO ONE CAN BOAST”!

There is only “ONE” true Church it is Jesus Christ. “All” who believe are memebers of his “ONE” body! Do you not know that you are the temple of the “LORD”. All who believe make up “HIS CHURCH” God said: " a house divided cannot stand" Jesus said at the last supper in his pray to the Father in asking that–they become “ONE” in me as I am “ONE” in you!

What church, where we gather and praise him according to our faith is our choice) where, how we choose to serve him is our choice. We will be judged by whom in the end? Thanks be to God for he knows “ALL” things!

“WE NEED TO CONQUER OURSELVES FIRST” Meaning each one of us. For are we not at war within ourselves? We know what is good and we know what is evil.

Love to All-- We were Created from “LOVE”, to become “LOVE” to serve “LOVE” it is simple God said my YOKE is not heavy or burdensome.
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planter654 said:
catharina;3040763:
Yes! Jesus spoke to Peter of “HIS CHURCH”! Jesus Church!!! This is what everyone is arguing about thinking they are “THEE CHURCH” the “ONLY TRUE” Church!! That is why there is so many different Churches! And there is “NO” peace in the world. No Love, vanity of self LOVE etc. It is not the Church that makes us Holy, God and God alone makes us “HOLY” Only through Jesus Christ and " IN HIS NAME" all who believe. We were created from “LOVE” to become “LOVE” to serve “LOVE”!

Jesus when he walked the earth walk where? " to the lost sheep of Israel" Where did Jesus preach? To whom? Why? Jesus set aside ST. Paul who was Saul to go and preach where and to whom?

Continued from above,

Jesus said on the cross " It is "FINISHED ONCE AND FOR “ALL”!

Jesus “DID NOT DIE AND SUFFER THE WORST AGONY OF DEATH IN VAIN” He paid in full the debt of “OUR SINS” of the flesh for ALL, did he not? So whether we believe or not believe we “NOW ALL” belong to God, do we not? Thanks be to God for his “GREAT INFINITE MERCY” Who will “judge” us, we all have received the good news"!! For “ALL” have received so “NO ONE” can boast! I accept God’s most precious gift of his infinite mercy.

A debt that “I” could never have paid for the “PRICE WAS TO HIGH”.

Death oh death where art thou sting?

Jesus gave the Keys to “HIS HOUSE—JESUS HOUSE” to Peter. If I give you the keys to my house while I am gone you do not “own” my home but you do not give my keys to someone else either, if I do not command you to do so, do you? Who’s foundation are we building upon, is it not Jesus? Who ever builds upon “MY foundation” whether it be with, wood or straw etc will be measured. There is only “ONE” God, “ONE” Kingdom, “ONE” church we make up all who believe make up Jesus church and Jesus is “HIGH PRIEST” forever, don’t you think?

Does Jesus not give his message to the “7” churches in the bible? What they did wrong and what pleased him and what did not please him?

Jesus said: In heaven there is “NO” Jew, “NO” Greek, “NO” man “NO” woman etc, did he not!

Jesus sent ST. PAUL to the “GENTLES” us, did he not? Yes! the other disciples, apostles where sent to go out into the nations and preach, but ST. PAUL was an apostle set aside and commanded by Jesus to go and preach to the “GENTLES” us!

St. Paul was held in chains where in Rome where he wrote his gospels that is why we have so many of them in our Bible, don’t you think?

WE “ALL” have received so no “ONE” can “BOAST”. St. Paul said: If you “BOAST”, “BOAST” of what you have received for “ALL” have received so “NO ONE CAN BOAST”!

There is only “ONE” true Church it is Jesus Christ. “All” who believe are memebers of his “ONE” body! Do you not know that you are the temple of the “LORD”. All who believe make up “HIS CHURCH” God said: " a house divided cannot stand" Jesus said at the last supper in his pray to the Father in asking that–they become “ONE” in me as I am “ONE” in you!

What church, where we gather and praise him according to our faith is our choice) where, how we choose to serve him is our choice. We will be judged by whom in the end? Thanks be to God for he knows “ALL” things!

“WE NEED TO CONQUER OURSELVES FIRST” Meaning each one of us. For are we not at war within ourselves? We know what is good and we know what is evil.

Love to All-- We were Created from “LOVE”, to become “LOVE” to serve “LOVE” it is simple God said my YOKE is not heavy or burdensome.
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catharina said:
planter654;3038346:
God doesn’t do things imperfectly you are right!!. BUT WE AS MERE MORTALS DO!!! And are we not all mere mortals? There forth if we boast let us boast only of what we have received. For all have received, so that “NO ONE” may boast!!! That includes all churches who believe! ST Paul confessed his sins and boasted of what he had received!! QUOTE]
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Haven’t you just negated your own argument? Jesus spoke to Peter of His church**
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. That’s singular not the plural “churches.” Apostolic succession is not a boast; it’s a reality (historical fact) in the Catholic Church.

LOOK FOR MY ANSWER ON PAGE 11 GOD BLESS ALL!
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I am baffled by much of the reaction to this priest’s removal which seems to be: “yes, the Church claims certain things are proper and necessary to a mass but we didn’t think she actually meant it.” The rubrics for the liturgy are for the most part very specific and apply universally to every Roman Catholic church in the world. The members of the Church from which this priest was removed may not take the liturgy seriously but it is hard to understand why they should be surprised that the Church takes it seriously. I guess they are not used to bishops acting as if they took it seriously as well.

Ender
 
If there is no “universality” in the Mass then the Catholic Church ceases to exist.
 
The Church is not a democracy; it is true. For this reason, we have no say in the decision the Archbishop made. He did his duty. May he inspire others to do so as well.

He and this priest and all priests (not to mention every human being) must answer to Almighty God for their actions. We must realize that they will be judged more harshly than we because of the responsibilities of their vocation. The Archbishop understands this and acts accordingly. He sets a good example for all of us.

I will be praying for this priest that he comes to realize how he has damaged the Body of Christ by his actions. Perhaps then he will be a fit pastor. Perhaps the diocese will become stronger. It’s in God’s Hands.

I commend Dauphin, francesco920, and Johnstown Johnn, and many others in this topic who consistently uphold the Truth. May your reward be great in Heaven.
 
When I was ordained, I took a vow to teach ***ONLY ***what the Catholic Church believes and teaches. I take this vow very seriously. I fail to understand how others dismiss it so easily.
Deacon Ed B
 
Lemme contribute my thumbs up. 👍 We ought to be enormously pleased and joyful when Bishops discover Christian manliness and protect the flock. This in no way implies lack of charity for the priest. He’ll survive.

God bless our religious!
 
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