Bans 'do not cut abortion rate'

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I believe that if you want to reduce abortion, you have to make women not want to have them. You’re going to have to approach this problem from the education side, not the iron-fist side - I don’t believe that’s going to work. Here’s a small example of why:

Whole article here: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8305217.stm

**Restricting the availability of legal abortion does not appear to reduce the number of women trying to end unwanted pregnancies, a major report suggests.

The Guttmacher Institute’s survey found abortion occurs at roughly equal rates in regions where it is legal and regions where it is highly restricted.

It did note that improved access to contraception had cut the overall abortion rate over the last decade.

But unsafe abortions, primarily illegal, have remained almost static.
**

Read more of the article here: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8305217.stm
 
I didn’t see any real evidence in that article that “abortions occur in roughly equal rates where it is legal and illegal.” Even just where it is legal, the rates vary wildly among nations, (just look at Sweden and Holland–both of which allow women full access to abc).

And how do they collect the statistics on illegal abortion? Ahhh, that seems like it would be pretty hard! And considering that showing that illegal abortion is more prevalent is *to their advantage *means that it would be easy to err on the side of reporting more illegal abortions rather than less.

For example, look at Poland’s abortion rates, before and after criminalization, inside and outside of Poland. From 1992 to 1993, we see a nearly 90% drop (wow… seems to me we saw a nearly 900% increase when we legalized abortion in the US).

As another example, which is related but not directly, here is an article which actually quotes relevant statistics about abortion restrictions in various US states (Bush states: 12/1000; Kerry states: 20/1000).

I think that this latest argument of the abortion supporters is built on straw.
 
I think that this latest argument of the abortion supporters is built on straw.
What’d you, or anyone for that matter, expect, the “study” came from the Guttmacher Institute? Those people are notoriously pro-abortion.

Its just their same old excuses repackaged in a different means.

And teh reality is, of course women in dirt poor countries are going to seek abortions, regardless of its legality, women need real assistance, suctioning the life out of their uterus is not assistance, its homicide.
 
If the purpose of the study is to suggest that abortion should be legal everywhere, then I’d love to see people use the same argument to suggest that, say, theft or rape should be made legal, assuming it could be proven (which is quite likely) that making them illegal doesn’t lead to a decrease in those crimes.

Deterrence is only one function of the law. Punishing those who behave in a way that is harmful to society is an equally important one.

And there really is nothing worse than slaughtering a million unborn babes a year - that’s up to a million future doctors, teachers, business owners, scientists, workers, taxpayers, contributors to the economy and the country.
 
If the purpose of the study is to suggest that abortion should be legal everywhere, then I’d love to see people use the same argument to suggest that, say, theft or rape should be made legal, assuming it could be proven (which is quite likely) that making them illegal doesn’t lead to a decrease in those crimes.

Deterrence is only one function of the law. Punishing those who behave in a way that is harmful to society is an equally important one.

And there really is nothing worse than slaughtering a million unborn babes a year - that’s up to a million future doctors, teachers, business owners, scientists, workers, taxpayers, contributors to the economy and the country.
No, actually, the point was, making it illegal isn’t going to change anything. The most effective way to decrease abortions is to educate women about their options and to give them the support they need (not just prenatal care, the cost of delivery, and for a bit of time after delivery, but for the whole the she needs it). The majority of abortions occur because women think they don’t have any other options. Educate them on ways to prevent pregnancy naturally, and provide them the support they need, and abortions will go down.

Consider another report, Reducing Abortion in America: Beyond Roe v. Wade, put out by
www.catholics-united.org, and written by Joseph Wright, which states:

A second implication of this brief suggests that a successful strategy to
reduce abortions should address the socioeconomic factors that help reduce
abortions. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) has long advocated
for a comprehensive strategy to reduce abortions. In addition to seeking legal
restrictions on access to abortion, they have suggested that an effective effort to
reduce abortions would “include nutritional, prenatal, childbirth and postnatal care
for the mother; nutritional and pediatric care for the child; adoption and foster care
services; counseling and spiritual assistance; opportunities for teenage parents to
continue their education during pregnancy and after childbirth;
and support for victims of rape and other forms of abuse and violence.”10
A recent study
published by Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good finds that increasing
economic assistance to support working low-income families could reduce
abortions by up to 200,000.11 The Welfare Reform Act of 1996 allowed states to
impose a cap on the number of children eligible to receive economic assistance in
low-income families. Removing this family cap could decrease abortions by up to
150,000 nationwide. Similarly, the study finds that grants to women, infants and
children under the age of five as provided by the Special Supplemental Nutrition
Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC) program and increased male
employment both substantially reduce abortions. Abolishing the family cap
together with increasing economic assistance to low-income families could
decrease the abortion rate by over 30%.
Together, these implications suggest that we need a more comprehensive
policy approach to reduce the number of abortions. A strategy that focuses
exclusively on overturning Roe v. Wade is inadequate to successfully address the
tragedy of abortion in the United States. Economic and social support for lowincome
working families and pregnant women will prove more effective in
reducing the number of abortions than overturning Roe v. Wade. While changing
the legal status of abortion is certainly a laudable goal, protecting the unborn
requires the commitment of our political community to ensure that women have
the necessary support and opportunities to carry all pregnancies to birth.


You can read the rest of it here:
catholics-united.org/files/reducing-abortion-in-america.pdf
 
If the purpose of the study is to suggest that abortion should be legal everywhere, then I’d love to see people use the same argument to suggest that, say, theft or rape should be made legal, assuming it could be proven (which is quite likely) that making them illegal doesn’t lead to a decrease in those crimes.

Deterrence is only one function of the law. Punishing those who behave in a way that is harmful to society is an equally important one.

And there really is nothing worse than slaughtering a million unborn babes a year - that’s up to a million future doctors, teachers, business owners, scientists, workers, taxpayers, contributors to the economy and the country.
I could respond why comparing the crimes of theft and rape to abortion is like comparing apples to oranges. But what’s the use. 🤷 We would just be rehashing the same old tired arguments of both sides instead of working to make abortion rarer while it remains under the law safe and legal.
 
Guttmacher Institute is hardly a neutral evaluator. The study’s internals are not present for review and there is no reason to assume objectivity. Therefore the matter reduces to belief - which is exactly the stated position of the OP who believes “bans” do not cut the abortion rate, but believes education will reduce abortions.

Guttmacher assails the pro-life attempt to educate women as to the nature of abortion, saying it is built on the false premise that women do not understand what abortion involves. And yet presumably after forty years of sex education in schools and the testimony of nature itself, we are to presume that women do not understand that intercourse causes pregnancy. Education in this usage is merely a prophylactic for the conscience.

And what are we being asked to accept? It is being proposed that if we would only be willing to accept, let’s say, a 90% reduction in the number of infants killed in abortion, the sacrifice of the remaining 10% would be acceptable. All we need do is give our consent to the sacrifice of the remainder by not seeking a “ban” which is a euphemism for seeking a law to be re-instituted that until forty years ago existed throughout history.

The image that comes to my mind is the child sacrifice, wherein a child is put to death to bring the favor of the gods, also based on belief and also carried out for the good of the whole nation. So we are being asked to consent to child sacrifice to save 90% of the infants killed today. Does anyone think that is a moral proposition?

Morality is not determined by successful outcomes but by right and just means.
 
In the 1970s, small groups were insisting on sex education. The premise: kids don’t know anything and mom and dad were portrayed as incompetent wimps who would never talk to their kids about such an embarrassing subject. I think all of us kids knew our parents had sex, otherwise we wouldn’t be here.

So in another “education experiment,” they pushed sex education into the schools. 40 years later, what do we hear? Women and men need more education. About what?

Did the Guttmacher Institute poll all of the illegal abortion providers? I don’t think so.

Perhaps kids should be taught about responsibility and the simple fact that intercourse can cause pregnancy.

God bless,
Ed
 
Guttmacher Institute is hardly a neutral evaluator
That’s true, of course, and Catholics-United is not a neutral organization either. This organization supported Obama’s election and worked to mitigate the abortion issue among Catholic voters.
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Rence:
The majority of abortions occur because women think they don’t have any other options. Educate them on ways to prevent pregnancy naturally, and provide them the support they need, and abortions will go down.
Actually, it seems to me that women have known for decades if not centuries, ways to prevent pregnancy, chief among them being not engaging is sex with men who will not stay with them.
 
No, actually, the point was, making it illegal isn’t going to change anything.
There is no evidence for this assertion and lots of evidence for its opposite, so basing anything on the PP’s research arm’s “study” would be foolish.
The most effective way to decrease abortions is to educate women about their options and to give them the support they need (not just prenatal care, the cost of delivery, and for a bit of time after delivery, but for the whole the she needs it). The majority of abortions occur because women think they don’t have any other options. Educate them on ways to prevent pregnancy naturally, and provide them the support they need, and abortions will go down.
We have 1. education on abc and access to it, 2. pre-natal and beyond care, 3. lots of access to educating how to avoid pregnancy naturally, and 4. the knowledge of the best method of pregnancy prevention, abstinence.

So we already *have *this stuff. Back when we didn’t have all that–say, in the 1950’s, when there was very little welfare, no government-sponsored health care, not-so-great and not-so-accessible abc–guess what? Women didn’t get pregnant! They used that age-old method of birth control, the word No. They knew the saying, why buy the cow if the milk is free?
Consider another report, Reducing Abortion in America: Beyond Roe v. Wade, put out by
www.catholics-united.org, and written by Joseph Wright, which states:
Soooo unbiased!
…A recent study published by Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good finds that increasing
economic assistance to support working low-income families could reduce
abortions by up to 200,000.11 The Welfare Reform Act of 1996 allowed states to
impose a cap on the number of children eligible to receive economic assistance in
low-income families. Removing this family cap could decrease abortions by up to
150,000 nationwide.

Oh, really? Oddly enough, the decline which began in 1991 continued after passage of that bill. If what these people are saying were true, one should have seen a *rise *of about 150,000 rather than the continued decline. (as reported here by Guttmacher)
Similarly, the study finds that grants to women, infants and
children under the age of five as provided by the Special Supplemental Nutrition
Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC) program and increased male
employment both substantially reduce abortions. Abolishing the family cap
together with increasing economic assistance to low-income families could
decrease the abortion rate by over 30%.
First of all, they are conflating the effects of WIC and male employment, which is something that always makes me rather suspiciously ask: how much can be attributed to the one and how much to the other? When they put two things like this together, I suspect that male employment has a very large effect, and that’s why they lumped WIC in with it…
Together, these implications suggest that we need a more comprehensive
policy approach to reduce the number of abortions.
I would disagree. These are pure speculations as the evidence of what happened when there was very little welfare and abortion was illegal shows a totally different scenario.

Fewer than 20% of abortions are performed on married women. So one might say that 80% of abortions could be eliminated by people simply following God’s law of *not having sex with someone to whom one is not married. *

I have to wonder why you are so intent on taking this point of view…
 
I believe that if you want to reduce abortion, you have to make women not want to have them. You’re going to have to approach this problem from the education side, not the iron-fist side - I don’t believe that’s going to work. Here’s a small example of why:

Whole article here: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8305217.stm

**Restricting the availability of legal abortion does not appear to reduce the number of women trying to end unwanted pregnancies, a major report suggests.

The Guttmacher Institute’s survey found abortion occurs at roughly equal rates in regions where it is legal and regions where it is highly restricted.

It did note that improved access to contraception had cut the overall abortion rate over the last decade.

But unsafe abortions, primarily illegal, have remained almost static.
**

Read more of the article here: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8305217.stm
Human activity in any given area decreases in proportion to increased cost associated with that activity. Raise the cost and reduce the activity. This is economic theory and is both realistic and measurable. Should we then educate away from bank robbery? Auto theft? It is more plausible that we educate against property crimes than against person crimes, as a human dies in every abortion, and in only in a tiny fraction of other crimes. We are fighting human nature here.

Consider the D.A.R.E. anti-drug program. Hundreds of millions have been poured into anti-drug education, while penalties for drug involvement have declined. The result? More drugs, just as predicted.

Compare this with our faith: God not only teaches us to avoid evil (education), but also promises to punish those who do not repent of evil (justice). One hand alone cannot complete the task. It takes both. As with so many areas of human endeavor, it is not either/or, but both/and.
 
I have to wonder why you are so intent on taking this point of view…
Well, I’ve said it many times: Because I am surrounded every day by people, and always have been surrounded by people, whether I lived in the north or the south, that will have an abortion at the drop of a hat. They are glad for it’s ease of availability, but will have one if it’s illegal too. Religion never mattered in their choice. If they didn’t have the money for it, someone would gladly help them pay for it. I know women who have brought their 14 year old daughters to PP for an abortion and told them to take their ABCs as directed “so this wouldn’t happen again”.

It’s especially amusing (if not annoying) that the “pro-choice” people making the most noise end up having one themselves when “oops, I screwed up” happened. :rolleyes:

Therefore, you and I can come up with opposing studies and documentation all day and night, but in the end, does it really matter? You don’t think I believe YOUR studies are biased? Every time someone posts “proof” about how harmful abortion is to women, it’s from an extreme pro-life site. Not biased much. The fact is, people are going to do what they want to do, and you’re not going to stop them until they don’t want to it anymore.

The other night I was searching for NFP resources and came across a website that gave written, and drawn, instructions on how to give oneself a home abortion for the early stages of pregnancy. They used common materials easy to get and provided pretty explicit instructions.

This is why I am NOT convinced at all that trying to come down on people with an iron-fist is going to work. They don’t want to hear it. They don’t want to hear it anymore than you do. They’re going to do what they want to do, whether it’s legal or not. You’re never going to make abortion more costly than raising a child. Therefore, someone will always be willing to pay for it. Oh, you say it costs them their soul. Hmm…well I’m inclined to agree with you. Now how does one convince those seeking an abortion?

I agree that promiscuity is a HUGE factor. But what are we going to do about it? Men have enjoyed it since the beginning of time. But now that women have enjoyed sexual liberty for decades, it has to stop? Well good luck. What are you going to do? Tie their legs together and lock them in their closets until they’re 40? Put a chastity belt on every child who hits puberty? Sterilize them? These options obviously have some serious moral implications, not to mention legal ones.

Ok, so you don’t like my answers to the problems and I don’t like yours. Fact is, it’s still a problem. Let me know when you come up with a real solutions, because real solutions actually work.
 
Well, I’ve said it many times: Because I am surrounded every day by people, and always have been surrounded by people, whether I lived in the north or the south, that will have an abortion at the drop of a hat. They are glad for it’s ease of availability, but will have one if it’s illegal too. Religion never mattered in their choice. If they didn’t have the money for it, someone would gladly help them pay for it. I know women who have brought their 14 year old daughters to PP for an abortion and told them to take their ABCs as directed “so this wouldn’t happen again”.

It’s especially amusing (if not annoying) that the “pro-choice” people making the most noise end up having one themselves when “oops, I screwed up” happened. :rolleyes:
Well, if they have abortions, or see abortions as a solution to something, then naturally they will have one when the “problem” arises.

The problem I see with your thinking is that you think they will have one “if it’s illegal too.” First of all, they might not. They might be unable to find a doctor; they might be unable to come up with the much higher fee that would be in place; they might use the brains God gave them and say no, and not get pregnant in the first place.
Therefore, you and I can come up with opposing studies and documentation all day and night, but in the end, does it really matter? You don’t think I believe YOUR studies are biased? Every time someone posts “proof” about how harmful abortion is to women, it’s from an extreme pro-life site. Not biased much. The fact is, people are going to do what they want to do, and you’re not going to stop them until they don’t want to it anymore.
The statistics I use often come from pro-life sites, because I try to avoid having pro-abortion stuff on my computer. The thing that differs is that, for example, the site I linked to about the Polish drop in abortion shows *numbers *not just making vague assumptions about what “would” happen if something else happened. They posit fantasies but it is a *fact *that in the 1950s there were a handful of abortions compared to our current situation, despite the fact that there were *none *of those items that the pro-abortion crowd seems to believe are necessary to reduce the number of abortions. So, to me, the abortion supporting crowd provides statistics which they have drawn conclusions from, and the pro-life people provide facts.
The other night I was searching for NFP resources and came across a website that gave written, and drawn, instructions on how to give oneself a home abortion for the early stages of pregnancy. They used common materials easy to get and provided pretty explicit instructions.
All throughout history, women have passed along information about how to abort. Herbs, activities, all of that. This is not all that surprising.
This is why I am NOT convinced at all that trying to come down on people with an iron-fist is going to work. They don’t want to hear it. They don’t want to hear it anymore than you do. They’re going to do what they want to do, whether it’s legal or not. You’re never going to make abortion more costly than raising a child. Therefore, someone will always be willing to pay for it. Oh, you say it costs them their soul. Hmm…well I’m inclined to agree with you. Now how does one convince those seeking an abortion?
Yes, they are totally spoiled brats. And making abortion illegal will not wipe out abortion any more than making rape and murder and drugs illegal have done. There will still be people willing to murder the child in the mother’s womb.

However, the number of babies murdered in this way will be greatly reduced. And that will be a blessing.

And our society will have come down on the right side of justice. When we allowed slavery, we were unjust. It was wrong. We made it illegal, and do you think it immediately stopped? No, to this day we have cases of slavery, even among Americans, not just foreigners who think it’s normal. It’s *very rare, *but for the most part, it is accepted that slavery is really really wrong.

continued…
 
from above
I agree that promiscuity is a HUGE factor. But what are we going to do about it? Men have enjoyed it since the beginning of time. But now that women have enjoyed sexual liberty for decades, it has to stop? Well good luck. What are you going to do? Tie their legs together and lock them in their closets until they’re 40? Put a chastity belt on every child who hits puberty? Sterilize them? These options obviously have some serious moral implications, not to mention legal ones.
I have always advocated, when advocating making abortion illegal, a huge education campaign. It’s not like we can’t influence people’s behavior. Look at civil rights. Look at smoking. Both of these in my lifetime (50+ years) have made a complete turnaround. Do people still smoke? Yes, but many fewer, and in many fewer places, and people do not automatically offer others cigarettes along with the hors d’huerves (however you spell that) like they used to (I remember my mother filling up cigarette boxes before a party and setting out lighters). And there are still racists, but people despise them, not join in with them.

You seem to have fallen for the idea that the *only *way to get women to stop having abortions is by giving them money and health care and education and abc. But this doesn’t make sense. ***Women can already get those things! ***In fact, the abortion rate has risen as those things become more available! People act like adoption is illegal now by saying we need to have more of it, and that is totally crazy.

I don’t think that there is a single pro-life person out there who thinks that if our nation makes abortion illegal that it will never happen again. It will. But the unborn child will have the same protection of law that the already-born now have. Just as the 1964 Civil Rights Act said that black people would have the same legal protections that white people had.
Ok, so you don’t like my answers to the problems and I don’t like yours. Fact is, it’s still a problem. Let me know when you come up with a real solutions, because real solutions actually work.
One of the reasons I wonder about your motivation is they way you replied about the Plan B scenario–where you said that you wouldn’t care about the ovulation aspect. The fact is that when you say things like that you are displaying a certain attitude, and that attitude is that one group of people takes precedence over another set of people.* I am trying to point out how what you write here reflects something that might not at all be your intention to reflect. *I have certainly done that–gone off on some argument and ended up somewhere I didn’t intend to go to when I started off.
 
I think the study might fail to look at long term trends instead focus on short term ones. In the short term a law will probably fail to change the rate of an activity. However, the long term outcome of many laws is to change how the culture views the activity - which does change the rate.

Take drinking and driving (not driving while intoxicated). 30 years ago it was a cultural norm to grab a beer (or 6 pack) for the road. While drinking one beer and driving in general is not illegal, we changed the law to specifically prevent drinking it while driving. I now it is very uncommon to grab a beer for the road for most people. Do alcohol related wrecks still happen - certainly, still behavior was effected. I know my wife and kids would freak if they ever saw me grabbing “one for the road”.

I have little doubt the same would happen with abortions. Short term rate would not be effected much, but long term rates would drop as society viewed it in more and more unfavorable light.​

That said - the true issue is choice. Woman must know they have a choice for life. They must have safe and viable options for life. Abortionists see no choice, and abortion victims (the mothers), often are violently apposed to accepting there was a choice and they choose death - personal responsibility for murdering their child is something they do not want to accept.
 
One of the reasons I wonder about your motivation is they way you replied about the Plan B scenario–where you said that you wouldn’t care about the ovulation aspect. The fact is that when you say things like that you are displaying a certain attitude, and that attitude is that one group of people takes precedence over another set of people.* I am trying to point out how what you write here reflects something that might not at all be your intention to reflect. *I have certainly done that–gone off on some argument and ended up somewhere I didn’t intend to go to when I started off.
Plan B after a rape is different from an abortion that takes place several days later, weeks, or months later. The reason being, it takes TIME to conceive. If we didn’t already have proof that it takes several hours, I wouldn’t feel this way about plan B after rape. Knowing that it takes several hours to conceive, I believe that taking plan B in the case of rape, immediately after the event, is worth the risk because the primary intent is to PREVENT conception. The fact that the Church allows plan B in the case of rape (despite their requirement of testing to make sure ovulation hasn’t occured) is proof they agree that women who are victims of rape have the right to attempt to prevent the pregnancy that the invading sperm is attempting to cause. I realize they, as the Church, and as the influencing body of morality, choose to err on the side of caution, however, knowing what I know, I can’t agree. Rape is not the same as an “oops, I screwed up”. Obviously I am not the only one because the majority feel the same, even those who want abortion outlawed. I do not believe that the Church’s intent, by establishing these guidelines, meant to take this teaching as far as some of the conservatives on this forum do. And we have all kinds of varying degrees of conservative on this forum. I do believe their intent was to establish a guideline in an attempt to eliminate any possible abuses by making exception in the case of rape. Sorry this bothers you, but as long as there is rape, my view on it isn’t going to change. If you label me pro-choice because of this, then it’s fine with me. God is my only judge. And I believe he loves women as much as men. Women have been victimized for centuries. Telling her that pregnancy is a “gift” after a rape dehumanizes women especially given the fact that the Church itself doesn’t regard such a situation as a “gift” if it allows plan B after rape. For those women who want to accept the challenge of allowing a preganancy to take place after a rape, that’s cool with me, as long as their not coerced and it’s truly their choice. Those that don’t shouldn’t have to, and should have every opportunity to prevent further damage. Considering rape only accounts for 1% of the reasons women have abortions, I’d say your damaging your own cause by trying to hinder women in this manner. You’d have more supporters if you didn’t go this route. Pro-choicers know you want abortion abolished in all cases, and if it has to be legal to protect rape victims, it will. Pro-lifers who are sympathetic to rape victims will also choose against laws that abolish abortion. They can say what they like, but their actions speak louder than words.
 
I think the study might fail to look at long term trends instead focus on short term ones. In the short term a law will probably fail to change the rate of an activity. However, the long term outcome of many laws is to change how the culture views the activity - which does change the rate.
You’re right, in all these studies, it lacks long term information because we just don’t have that information. But there is a difference between the laws regarding drinking and driving, and abortion. Abortion was not abtainable through legal means for centuries. It came not long after promiscuity of women became a norm. Now, whether we want to admit it or not, it’s part of the culture. It’s just as much part of the culture as promiscuity.

There was never a precedent established for drinking and driving before the laws were made. In addition, one can see in the cars wrapped around street light poles, victim’s body parts strewed all over the road, decapitations via heads going through windshields, innocent (grown) victims affected by the actions of a drunk driver. However, the death of an unborn fetus is more abstract to the general public because one can’t see it. You can try to point it out to people with ultrasounds, etc. You’ll only anger people by showing them dismembered body parts. But one has to admit, the fetus is more abstract than a person standing in front of you. Seldom do I hear of a mother who wants to be pregnant NOT get excited about the ultrasonic picture of her 3 inch fetus. However, those who do not want to be pregnant are not as impressed.

Now, after centuries of men being the only ones allowed to enjoy sexual freedom, women are enjoying it, and seemingly without consequence. Until you change this, there will always be abortion, whether it’s legal or not.

People are not going to risk the ramifications of abolition of abortions, or abolition of birth control. Even in the short term. That would mean they would have to give back what was given to them unconditionally (freedom of sexual expression).

Seriously, I am the only one chaste that I know. I’ve lived in the north, and I’ve lived in the south. It’s the same. Usually people are more “charitable” about my views of living a chaste life. However, I have been called “sick”, “abnormal” and "should be ashamed for not ever having had sex at 30 (when I was 30 😉 ) I’ve been called “selfish” as well 🤷 Whether or not those who surround me are “loose” or just have one partner (at a time), I am certainly the oddball for practicing chasity. Unless that changes, there will always be abortion and birth control.
That said - the true issue is choice. Woman must know they have a choice for life. They must have safe and viable options for life. Abortionists see no choice, and abortion victims (the mothers), often are violently apposed to accepting there was a choice and they choose death - personal responsibility for murdering their child is something they do not want to accept.
They already know they have a choice for life. They don’t choose it for various reasons. St. Francis and others are right about them having help. However, they don’t feel they have enough help. Some really don’t. I think it’s odd that one woman with a child can be on medicaid for herself, get $400/month on foodstamps, in addition to wic, and another in the same predicament only gets some medicaid for herself and foodstamps. There is a disparity in availability of resources, and a lack of knowledge in how to obatin them, that’s for sure.
 
If the purpose of the study is to suggest that abortion should be legal everywhere, then I’d love to see people use the same argument to suggest that, say, theft or rape should be made legal, assuming it could be proven (which is quite likely) that making them illegal doesn’t lead to a decrease in those crimes.
Your analogy is flawed. The difference is that 99.9% of the population agrees that theft and rape are wrong. There is no such concensus on abortion.
 
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